Dean gets ripped apart

[mrblack]

Vote for me I'm on the prettythanghole ticket:(

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Munkii
This is an unanswerable question.  Despite the obvious bias you hold we can treat this question as if it were asked by an undecided voter.  In this situation, no one knows what would have happened if Gore had been elected instead.  We cannot say with 100% certainty that the exact same courses of action that Bush has taken, would not have been taken by Gore.  It's a rediculous assumption to say that you would be adamantly against Gore in office based upon his performance during the crisises after 12/2000.

Therefore, the past is in the past and cannot be changed.  You can't ask someone if they would have rather, because I think everyone would have rather had gore in office, had everything play out.. then get to choose which history we live through. Otherwise, questions such as the one you pose is simply unanswerable, unless you are so deep in party rhetoric it ceases to become a question, and instead becomes the slogan for re-election.   Vote Bush in '04 because he is a Republican and Democrats are smelly wusses.

sounds like a good slogan to me ... thanks I'll make some yard signs & bumper stickers with it..

[culero]

Originally posted by lord dolf vader
na a gerymanderd texan.

they split my district into 6 parts to break up the democrats.


there will be hell to pay.

Yeah, that is some **** ain't it?

culero (disgusted Texan)

[culero]

Originally posted by Kieran
Who are you kidding LDV? The Dems have been doing it in Texas for over a hundred years! Darn right there's hell to pay, and you're paying it right now!

So, two wrongs make a right? GWB ran a pretty upright operation here as governor, and I had hopes his successor would as well. Now it turns out that he's as much of a potato as any past potato, so how is that good?

culero

[Kieran]

Are you suggesting it's better to let only the Democrats control gerrymandering? Pretty selective outrage there, isn't it?

LDV in typical politically blind fashion sees this as a brand new evil that only the Republican party would pull... neglecting to mention the last century of history in the state's districting. You have to admit, when you look at it that way LDV's sentiment is funny as hell.

[lord dolf vader]

dude you are gettin so use to talkin out of your bellybutton its geting painfull to read.


when you have read up on the situation and dont make blatently incorrect (and ignorantly partisan) statements i will consider a debate. here are two important questions to get you started.


now who made the present map?


why are texans upset about the precident this dasterdly slap in the face to democracy the carpetbaging republicans did makes.


"poor man voting for the republicans is a cow voting for the butcher."

 said by my great great grandady shot by one at vicksburg not **** has changed.

[GtoRA2]

LDV
 If did not know you where from the US I would think english was your second language.

Can you even understand the tripe you post?

I am bad, but jeez you make me look like a english major.

[Kieran]

LDV

Admittedly all I have are the opinions almost every other Texan on this and other boards, plus media coverage of the matter. Are you suggesting the Dems didn't gerrymander? Really?

[Montezuma]

Originally posted by AKIron
The feeding frenzy begins.

Maybe you don't recall all the not-so-nice things that McCain, Dole, and the rest had to say about Bush during the primary 4 years ago.

[Kieran]

Montezuma, don't mistake the intent.

Dean is going to have clarify his positions in several areas; he isn't going to win as the Anti-Bush. Bush has ignored him, so it has fallen to the Democrats who fear his frontrunner status to force Dean to get specific about issues. I don't really take this as a "yeah! Dean is going down!" thread (though I wish it were true), I take it more of a "wow, look at the feeding frenzy!". I guess I have to admit I am enjoying the show because it lessens the likelihood that nutbag will make the Whitehouse. They have better men in the fight. Not by much, but a little better. In the end I still want to hear where they stand on the issues, and I want those viewpoints pressed a bit.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Montezuma
Maybe you don't recall all the not-so-nice things that McCain, Dole, and the rest had to say about Bush during the primary 4 years ago.

Sure I do.

However, this time around the Republican party won't be beating itself up. I'm sure there are many Democrats that wish only Democrats were watching their internal struggle for power.

[Toad]

It's the Iowa caucuses for pete's sake!

There's going to be A LOT more politics in much larger states before we get the Demo horserace down to two out in front of the pack.

Relax and enjoy.

[lord dolf vader]

LDV

"Admittedly all I have are the opinions almost every other Texan on this and other boards, plus media coverage of the matter. Are you suggesting the Dems didn't gerrymander? Really?"


you dont even bother to look up the most basic of facts about somthing you talk about? i asked you who made the map and you ask me another question? back up and find out where you were dead wrong and then possibley i will discuss my fellow texans oppinions. till then you are a moron who answers questions with questions.

ps they cut my district into 6 parts im thinkin there are more than a few democratic texans all armed. and conservative as hell just not idiots like you neocons.

[Kieran]

Now why would I bother to "discuss" anything with YOU in particular, Towd?

Did I say the gerrymandering wasn't done in a way to strengthen the Republican hold on Texas? No.

Specific answer to your question, and more:

The Legislature failed to draw a map in 2001, and the current districts were created by a federal court. The Democrats claimed that was the state's "one bite at the apple."


Abbott said the court made the right decision that there is nothing in state or federal law that limits redistricting.

Houston Chronicle

Here's another one for you:

Republicans next year will assume control of: the Texas House for the first time since 1870...
Foxnews

Well? How reasonable can you be now? I've never once heard you speak of the inequities of gerrymandering under Democratic leadership, yet it is undoubtedly true the Democrats were just as partisan about their redistricting. Is that factually based enough for your sensibilities?

[Zippatuh]

Dean scares me.  He should scare the Democratic party.  He should scare the whole country.  The worst thing that can happen would be that this dolt is elected to office.

Kerry is the only sound democratic choice.  He�s about the only one I would consider.  Bush still has my vote until Kerry makes the nomination.  If he gets it, I may actually decide to vote democrat.

Damn, did I just write that?  I feel kind of dirty.  Actually considering voting for a democrat instead of a republican.