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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2004, 02:17:13 PM »
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I didn't see IRA send any aircraft into the tower of London.  Al Queda tends to like the dramatic effect, think big.


so one attack has a bigger fear impact than say one attempt or failed attempt every week or so for years on end?
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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2004, 02:29:17 PM »
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This thread is about living in fear of WMD and Terrorist attacks.


Sorry i got a bit side tracked... This thread is about living in the fear of WMD, Now and Then... Nothing else :)

Now back to discussion.
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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2004, 02:33:57 PM »
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Let me put it this way.


You don't piss off the country that can pound you into the stoneage 4x over.


...unless your country happens to be allied with it.
Notice Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Yemen is still standing.....
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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2004, 02:36:35 PM »
BTW, we could leave airport security at the same levels as pre- 9/11. Those attacks won't happen again like they did. Airline passengers won't allow it based on 9/11.
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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2004, 03:08:34 PM »
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Hey Americans, whats the big deal?

Being raised under the US vs Soviet Nuclear age we all should be used to living under fear of WMD...

Hey the world is even safer NOW than it was then... me and all my friends constantly used the term : "hey what does it matter, it could be a nuclear holocoust tommorow" very freaquantly back in the days....

For christ sake, you only have had what? 1-2 terrorist attacks and now your panties are in a bunch?

Pffft!


This was thought provoking.

Glad you enjoyed the Cold War umbrella we provided.

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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2004, 03:41:05 PM »
Hey Saur.

This is far from a DEETH TO AMREEEKA BUSH IS SAIHTAN! Thread.

Enjoy the cold war umbrella? where did i say that?

Ya i might have lived life a day at a time and not caring so much about the next day, with a nuclear war on waiting to happen...

I made this post because it seems like over there in the US the WMD paranoia seems alot bigger now then it was during the cold war.

WMD crisis? The Cuba crisis was a true WMD crisis...
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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2004, 04:04:22 PM »
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WMD crisis? The Cuba crisis was a true WMD crisis... Not Iraq...


Oh dear me.. someone on this BBS has just made a real point.

Cuba did have nuclear missiles and they were in deed pointed at the US.... Millions would have died in less than 20 minutes.

During the blockade Kennedy was so afraid that things would escalate as a result of some hot head captain firing a shot across the bow that he moved control of the entire operation to the White House.

There was no phone between Moscow and Washington back then. Negotiations had to be done through Voice of America and Radio Moscow.

The process was so precarious and uncertain, there was even debate about a pre-emptrive strike, invasion plans, and so forth.

After the Bay of Pigs Kennedy no longer trusted his military advisors who were recommending war.

It wasn't revealed until years later, that as a concession, the US removed missiles which it had been deploying to Turkey prior to the crisis. The Russians deployed missiles to Cuba directly in response to Amereeka's deployment of missiles in Turkey and ICBM capabilities.

Oh Gee! Amereeeka got checked mated playing it's own game of destabilizing another nation's security.

http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_missile_crisis

So exactly where are these stock piles of WMD in Iraq that are ready to use in 45 minutes or less? LOL

Only a fantasy... and it's amazing how many Amereeeekans have been tooled to believe it.

But then again Amereekans believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny until about age 15, then parents start to suspect they're being milked.

Gawd I love Amereeeka!

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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2004, 04:08:45 PM »
Hey!! i deleted the Iraq part ;)

Ya, one can think its amazing that Cuba have not to this day not been taked cared of by the US... Regarding its history...
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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2004, 04:11:39 PM »
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Hey!! i deleted the Iraq part ;)

Ya, one can think its amazing that Cuba have not to this day not been taked cared of by the US... Regarding its history...


Wasn't part of the deal that Cuba wasn't to be invaded?

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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2004, 04:12:34 PM »
The WMD scare is because people are gullible.

If another terrorist attack occurs within the US' borders, it'll more than likely be a big rig tanker blowing out the bottom of a building or something along those lines. As it looks right now - thats one pretty big if.
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« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2004, 10:44:03 AM »
No more takers?
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« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2004, 10:53:58 AM »
Considering chemical weapons (CW) and biological weapons (BW) are easier to acquire and the inherently dual-use nature of many goods and technologies needed to produce BW and CW makes their assembly easier and considering that makes it likely that we will confront such a threat in the future-again most likely by terrorists, shall I punt this thread in a year or  two?

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« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2004, 11:21:04 AM »
I personally don't ever recall having a fear of imminent destruction by WMD during the Cold War.  In fact, I would suggest that the world was safer during the Cold War then it is now, for the simple reason that with two "superpowers":

1. It would take an awful lot for either of them to initiate a strike given the consequences for both of them.  MAD provided stability.  Other than Cuban Missle Crisis (before the hotline) and perhaps October, 1973, I don't believe the world was ever under any actual threat of a nuclear exchange.

2.  During the Cold War, client states/organizations of both the East and the West were too busy trying to endear themselves to their respective masters to consider direct attacks against the other Bloc.  Those client organizations were kept in line by the respective Blocs who were willing to fight the Cold War in local "hot zones" by proxy, but who were unwilling to allow those hot zones to escalate, thereby risking a direct confrontation.

3.  Relative stability in the Soviet Union during the Cold War meant that WMD and the technology related to it was kept under guard and therefore unlikely to be exported to less reliable client organizations.

All that being said, I also don't live in fear of them now.

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« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2004, 03:00:28 PM »
Easier to acquire than what? A gas tanker? A couple sticks of dynamite and a gas station?

All they really need is for the populace to be afraid they MIGHT have or MIGHT use WMDs... they don't actually need them to be effective.
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