Author Topic: is charles darwin the father of racisim? (Read 5107 times)

midnight Target · « **Reply #90 on:** January 22, 2004, 05:57:57 PM »

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There is a scientific process for submitting a new idea to a review of peers before publishing it.

The act of publishing IS a review process. There is no formal "peer review" for scientific studies or announcements! The 1st to publish gets the credit. I figured you would know this.

Now some scientists might bounce their ideas off each other or have another lab check their work. But publishing is owning. Period.

midnight Target · « **Reply #91 on:** January 22, 2004, 06:02:33 PM »

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Geochronometers. How old is the earth?

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/mar97/858867134.Es.r.html

midnight Target · « **Reply #92 on:** January 22, 2004, 06:46:14 PM »

Wow great move Storch. Not reading it sure proves your point!

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #93 on:** January 22, 2004, 06:59:10 PM »

what sect of the religion is he?

the retoric sounds like american bible belt. with a odd tang.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #94 on:** January 22, 2004, 08:25:01 PM »

Geochronometers is apparently the use of the Bible to say how old the earth is. It has way too many holes, however, and uses a lot of guessing as its "proof".
http://www.eadshome.com/Geochronometers.htm

Radioactive decay of rocks on Earth show it is atleast 3.8 billion years old. The moon is 4.5billion years old.

If we were to get the radioactive decay of Venus, it would be extremely young because the surface is constantly changing due to its high heat leaving the surface to be re-made by lava flows. This leaves young rock on the surface and the old rock gets melted away.

If the earth is only 10,000 years old, as the Bible states - where exactly do the dinosaurs fall into place as they've been carbon dated to several billion years old?
-SW

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #95 on:** January 22, 2004, 09:13:51 PM »

Its based on the radioactive isotope decay in moon rocks.
-SW

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #96 on:** January 22, 2004, 09:59:44 PM »

Uranium decays into lead. Thats ONE method, the other method is radioactive potassium. That decays into calcium and the gas argon. The latter is the method they are using to determine earth and moon rock's age.
-SW

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #97 on:** January 22, 2004, 10:43:33 PM »

First part: No, not that I'm aware of. If it can be proven that it is flawed, then mathematics is in serious trouble.

Second part: No, otherwise radioactive decay would propel itself into a logarithmic type of destruction (multiplying at constantly higher rates as time goes on) because radioactive decay emits gamma rays. Cosmic radiation is a generic term as there are several forms of radiation in the cosmos.

To truly understand this, you shouldn't consult me since I will be consulting various references (my memory only goes so far) to better explain it.

Also, by looking at the microwave background of the universe we also see how it was several billion years ago. This doesn't refute the Bible's 10,000 (atleast I think thats the age) age of the Earth, however, we know that light has a speed and that there are stars (suns) out there that are so far away we are actually seeing the light they emitted billions of years ago. So, when you look up in the night sky - that isn't a real time rendering of how the universe is really sorted but instead we are looking into the past (by billions of years).
-SW

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #98 on:** January 23, 2004, 01:20:23 AM »

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Originally posted by storch Well i'm still wondering about the origins question and no one seems to want to bite.

Well Larry,

Apparently you did not see the humor in my explanation of how not noting could not exist in the non existance of not time. So I shall attack the argument in another fashion.

Scientific: The universe was created is by ther big bang.

Creationism: God Created the universe.

Science at least attempts to answer how, Religion says who.

At the bottom line, when the scientific mind asks the question of how God was created, the religious dogma sidesteps the issue by saying His origin is indeterminate, He has always been.

The ultimate answer remains uncertian in the mind of mortals.

hyena426 · « **Reply #99 on:** January 23, 2004, 02:25:28 AM »

there is a web site,,ill have to find the link that offers a 100,000 bucks to any one person who can prove the big bang is true with out any scientific dout,,but i dout anyone will ever collect that money,,impossible to prove

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The ultimate answer remains uncertian in the mind of mortals.

yup and i think it will allways be that way,,,im not a bible thumper,,but i dont think science or anyone will figure this one out,,hydrogen atoms cant be made from nothing,,let alone explode for no reason at all

i beleve in micro evo<~~its been proven,,we all change to are envierment a little more each gen,,get darker skin,,lighter for cold zones,,i seen a deal on a scientist late one night that was very interesting,,,,he did test on flies for the goverment<~~sence flies only live a week,,,with in 5 years of his test,,he went threw hunderds of gens of flies,,he radiated them,,he inbreeded them,and kept them away in a sealed enviroment,,,he had flys with legs growing out there eyeballs,,and kept it going,,but after a while the genetics figured them selfs out,,and soon he just had a room full of normal flies again,,was very interesting

science or god created the universe<~~i guess toss a coin in the air and pick one

Tuomio · « **Reply #100 on:** January 23, 2004, 03:13:11 AM »

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Originally posted by hyena426
but i dont think science or anyone will figure this one out,,hydrogen atoms cant be made from nothing,,let alone explode for no reason at all

And you have studied quantum physics to say that? You can't argue this stuff with common sense, because when you leave this planet common sense do not apply.

myelo · « **Reply #101 on:** January 23, 2004, 07:39:01 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
To me intelligent design is way more palatable.

Finally! Someone is being honest.

And that’s really it. The reason most creationists believe in creationism is because they want to. They like it. It’s comforting to believe that some intelligent being created everything for a purpose. And frankly it’s easier to understand. Just like it’s comforting to believe that you will live forever, good people will be rewarded, bad people will eventually be punished, etc.

You don’t like evolution. That’s fine.

Personally, I don’t like relativity. Because I would like to travel faster than the speed of light. But oddly enough, physics doesn’t seem to care what I like or dislike.

The only problems I have are people who use bad science to argue against biologic evolution and for creationism. And when they want to teach our kids a scientifically useless explanation just because people with a particular religious belief like it.

Tuomio · « **Reply #102 on:** January 23, 2004, 07:47:31 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
hence we return to my original statement. in my opinion it takes more faith to accept what science is teaching with regard to origin and evolution than to accept the creationist view. to me intelligent design is way more palatable.

By saying this you mean, that creationists have more hard data to support their theory, than evolution. Then one wonders why creationists have lots of ridiculous claims like the great flood or ark, for which they are unable to provide even simple basic models how they could've worked. Yes, evolutionists can explain with real life events why _some_ fossils are on top when they should be under. Creationist can't even explain where the water to the flood came and where it went, which should be easy if such major thing has ever happened.

Tuomio · « **Reply #103 on:** January 23, 2004, 08:09:30 AM »

double post

Nod · « **Reply #104 on:** January 23, 2004, 08:17:31 AM »

Storch "Tally Ho" for keeping up the fight, but argueing with them is doing no good. Let them live there life like they have for years and years in a dark corner staring at a blinking computer screen for hours and hours playing a video game of a world that has come and gone. Let them think that they are correct and everyone else is wrong, it is there choise to look for God.

-NOD (yah i'm a devout Catholic)