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Offline LePaul

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« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2004, 10:34:20 AM »
No no...you cant have it both ways here, you are trying to demonstrate a lack of compassion in Bush.  My simple questions is, before you start chucking stones...is how many did the Left's hero, Mrs Clinton, attend?

You know the answer.  Its zero.

Frankly, I wish the President had the TIME to attend funerals but that's impractical.  How many did FDR attend?  You want him to attend all of those rather than serve his role?

Its pretty amazing how high a standard you wish to set with President Bush.  We couldnt get some of you to conjure up such a novel idea with Mr Clinton

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« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2004, 10:38:03 AM »
Miko,

On at least one occasion I can think of off the top of my head, he and the First Lady have met with the family members of dead soldiers and those still overseas.  Hardly "ducking" the past.

Bush meets with families of war dead
By Anne E. Kornblut and Wayne Washington, Globe Staff, 11/25/2003
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/11/25/bush_meets_with_families_of_war_dead/

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« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2004, 10:58:45 AM »
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As for odering us around - what we should be doing and what kinds of statements we should be making, you are confusing yourself with God or Skuzzy or maybe mr. Bush.


Lost me there, bud. He posted a comment on a public BBS. I made a reply. It appears that reply doesn't meet your standards and you are trying to tell me what to say and how to say it. Or am I misreading you?

Hey, just because I grew tired of your "doom-N-gloom" drumbeat doesn't have to mean I don't think you're very smart. Post like this more often and I might change my mind.

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« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2004, 11:01:40 AM »
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IBut he should do something to recognize these deaths that have occured in his oil war...


he does, he's authorized the purchase of more body bags for the military... this will stimiulate more growth, create more jobs, and improve the US economy.

Also, his new medical policy has a clause to ensure that soldiers are no longer wounded and maimed... they should just die, it costs less to bury a soldier than to equip him/her with a wheel chair for life.

Oh, and for Military familly members... once the service member is dead, they have 7 days to vacate their military housing, and they have to pay their own way back home if they happen to be stationed over seas.

Well... at least that's what the "Gay Liberal (We Hate Bush) Gazette" reported.

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« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2004, 11:48:52 AM »
Kieran: Lost me there, bud. He posted a comment on a public BBS. I made a reply. It appears that reply doesn't meet your standards and you are trying to tell me what to say and how to say it. Or am I misreading you?

 You are mistreading me a bit.
 He posted an obviously political comment - not hiding it in teh least. Instead of replying to his comment with you own political comment, you have accused him of making a political comment as if it is somehow unethical or invalidates the content of his comment.
 I did not argue your right to post that - I did not say you should not post whatever you wish. I just said that this particular post of yours was not the best example of episemology you are capable off - as we all know.

 You seem to avoid a point he was making by attacking him for the very fact of having a political opinion and posting it in a political forum. In fact he started his own thread, not infringed on yours or somebody else's.
 He invites a discussion and you are making a point that his discussion is not valid, so his claims should not be addressed or considered. But nobody makes you participate in this thread at all.

 There are plenty of posts each of us does not address or consider - by ignoring them, not pointing out the personal flaws of a poster.


Hey, just because I grew tired of your "doom-N-gloom" drumbeat doesn't have to mean I don't think you're very smart. Post like this more often and I might change my mind.

 If you grew tired of my posts, I regret that, but - respectfully - it is only a reason for you to stop reading them for a while, not for anyone else to do anything different.
 In this particular thread I only spoke along the lines of this discusison and you were the one to drag in here my "doom-N-gloom" posts from other threads.

 You are absolutely not obligated to participate in every thread I post and I will hold no grudge against you.
 On the other hand, whenever you decide you have anything to contribute or you want to change my opinion through argument on the issues, I will greatly appreciate your input.

 The only thing I ask is to read what I type carefully and to reply to what I said, not to some views attributed to me that I have never subscribed to. If I seem to make a contradictory statement, I would rather have you ask for clarification and wait with launching an attack.

 And while it is your prerogative to question anyone's motives for posting rather than address the views, it is not productive as discussions go. If you dislike someone's motives, you have a much better chance to change them by successfully arguing against that person's views than by declaring which motives are bad wad which are good.

 Regards,
 miko

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« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2004, 12:41:02 PM »
Miko-

You know, I'd consider it a more genuine application of your concern if it was applied equally across all the posters. You've singled my pretty inocuous statement out for treatment, ignoring the majority of far more partisan comments- including the original post. Why, I can't understand. If Strk wants to make partisan comments I don't see any reason not to point it out. Or did you miss his Karl Rove section?

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« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2004, 12:42:46 PM »
I try to avoid them myself.

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« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2004, 01:15:40 PM »
Kieran: Miko- You know, I'd consider it a more genuine application of your concern if it was applied equally across all the posters. You've singled my pretty inocuous statement out for treatment, ignoring the majority of far more partisan comments- including the original post.

 Absolutely, I do not treat all posters equally. Do not even read many of the posts in a thread.
 Despite our recent run-in which is puzzling to me (since you argued views attributed to me that I never proclaimed), you are on my list of posters I pay more attention to and care about the opinions of.

 One is a fool who is arguing with fools. It's not productive to say the least.
 Not so pointing out an occasional foolish act to a wise man. In fact really wise men activaly seek such a feedback from people who's opinion they respect.

Why, I can't understand. If Strk wants to make partisan comments I don't see any reason not to point it out.

  That is a valid if redundant observation. But then you completely ignored a point about Bush and instead made an unwarranted accusation about strk's character - "this is nothing more than a political jab. He's no more concerned about those servicemen".

 If you have reasons to believe that he is not concerned about servicemen, you should have mentioned them to substantiate your claim.
 And even if he really does not care about the servicemen, that has no bearing on whether mr. Bush cares about them.
 
Or did you miss his Karl Rove section?

 I happen to believe myself that Bush is steered by his advisors more than any other president - and that Karl Rove is a major genius "behind the throne".
 The supporters of Bush administration had no problem when Karl Rowe's political genius was credited with winning Bush his election, engineering winning a midterm victory for republicans and other great feats. Rowe is believed to be a great influence.

  And that is not a slander on Bush. Nothing wrong in principle about having trusted and influential advisors. Any president is mostly as good a a staff he has assembled.

 I am sure that if Karl Rowe said "George, you should attend one of those funerals or at least meet the caskets coming home like it is customary for any president", Bush would have listened.

 I am surprised he did not decide to do so himself - maybe out of some phsychological phobia? - and if he did, whether his advisors (Rowe & Co) dissuaded him.

 Basically, I believe that whatever strk's motivations, the discussion he raised is totally valid and not original. The same quiestion has been raised for months.

 miko
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« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2004, 01:35:28 PM »
I wonder if Bush were to die in office... if he would even show up for his own funeral.  :rofl

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« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2004, 01:44:23 PM »
Oh, yes, Kieran. When I attack an opinion of an apparently wise man and I happen to be wrong - however incredibly that sounds :) - I stand better chance to be corrected by him than by some fool.
 Any fool can stumble on the right opinion. Few people can defend and explain one.

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« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2004, 01:46:24 PM »
strk, do you have any original thoughts? You seem to have hopped onto the liberal bandwagon:

"Tuesday morning, "Today" show host Katie Couric chose to commemorate Veterans Day by grilling Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Richard Myers about the Bush administration's decision not to permit coverage of bodies arriving at Dover Air Force Base.

"The policies in effect at Dover go back to 1991 and have been consistent since then through three administrations now," Gen. Myers explained. "What it's really about is proper dignity and respect, and not making a spectacle of all returning heroes such as those that have fallen."

The pundit class' sensitivity to the issue of whether a president is attending enough military funerals is a relatively new phenomenon. Though casualty rates during the Clinton years never approached the levels now being sustained in Iraq, combat deaths weren't exactly unheard of."

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« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2004, 01:52:53 PM »
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Oh, and for Military familly members... once the service member is dead, they have 7 days to vacate their military housing, and they have to pay their own way back home if they happen to be stationed over seas.

Well... at least that's what the "Gay Liberal (We Hate Bush) Gazette" reported.



WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They have 30 days to vacate housing and are authorized an extension if TMO is unavalable or if 30 days is not practical.

If a family member is overseas the military pays for their trip home to there "Home of records" or were the sposor enlisted from.  They aslo foot the bill for all houshold goods and an automobile if it was shiped overseas to begin with.  

They are also etitled to FULL DLA wish is Dislocation Allowence.  It usually equates to about $1600 wich is for the inconvience of setting up a new houshold somweres else.


Even if a spouse is overseas and she just decides to divorce the member the MILITARY pays for the shippment of her houshold goods and a plane ticket to her port of entry.  Plus they are entitled to HALF of the DLA I mentioned above.

What ever source you're qouting QUIT cause their ducks are NOT in a row!

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« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2004, 01:55:07 PM »
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Though casualty rates during the Clinton years never approached the levels now being sustained in Iraq, combat deaths weren't exactly unheard of."


Clinton actually refered to the combat losses in somalia as insignificant in a press conf.

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« Reply #43 on: January 21, 2004, 01:56:38 PM »
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strk, do you have any original thoughts? You seem to have hopped onto the liberal bandwagon:

"Tuesday morning, "Today" show host Katie Couric chose to commemorate Veterans Day by grilling Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Richard Myers about the Bush administration's decision not to permit coverage of bodies arriving at Dover Air Force Base.

"The policies in effect at Dover go back to 1991 and have been consistent since then through three administrations now," Gen. Myers explained. "What it's really about is proper dignity and respect, and not making a spectacle of all returning heroes such as those that have fallen."

The pundit class' sensitivity to the issue of whether a president is attending enough military funerals is a relatively new phenomenon. Though casualty rates during the Clinton years never approached the levels now being sustained in Iraq, combat deaths weren't exactly unheard of."


Most excellent original thoughts there Slimm... O wait.. did these!? were these!? O nevermind.........
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« Reply #44 on: January 21, 2004, 01:57:41 PM »
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Clinton actually refered to the combat losses in somalia as insignificant in a press conf.



bullchit!! out of context perhaps...
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