nightmare for a rook...

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by nopoop
As aways when this discussion comes up, I'm always interested in the flying habits of those of an opposing view to see if by examining their flying habits their comments on flying and dying have any validity.

One day after doing this research on a pilot I'm going to be surprised. Today is not the day.

Zazen when you DO go for a flight, it lasts an average of 31 minutes, it's in a tiffy. You don't fly much else when you decide to fly..



Looking back as far as July you had 5 kills and 2 deaths in a Hurri and 1 kill and 1 death in a FM2.

You don't have any idea of what we are talking about because you haven't done it..probably ever.  It doesn't make the K/D pretty in the majority of cases.

I doubt you'd give it up..

Do one in the weeds, then you'll have something to say.

Actually, I have been playing these games for a decade or so. I know exactly what I'm talking about. Had your observations been objective you would have noted I also fly the F6f (a turnfighter) almost as much as the Typhoon and attain the same kind of success with that style of play.

[Hornet]

Originally posted by Steve
Hornet, I stated my opinion. The fact that you think I'm wrong isn't going to change it.  If it makes you feel better, disagree w/ me some more.  I have my views and they are based on my experiences in both venues, not becuase someone like you came along and tried to give me my opinion.

easy there steve. please take a breath and re-read my posts. I'm not putting down B&Z guys in either one. My objection to your comment was that my point was pure "hero worship".

It's not. B&Z is the most effective way to fly. A good pilot using this tactic has a much larger area of influence. From the opponents perspective he is already a hard "out" from the fight. But AH is a wierd community..people are so eager to divide into 2 camps.

My point is these skills are transferable.

As hard an out as the skilled B&Z guy already is...its much more a problem if even if you get him pushed down and 2v1'd he is still a threat to win. Now that's a real pain in the ass. But that kind of balance can only come from practice, which I believe is the primary motivator for going into bad spots.

The key here being balance, something lost in the debate as people rush to
find their correct hat...is it furballers vs strat or furballers vs B&Z today?

I think this community may troll itself sometimes.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by SlapShot
My problem is not with those who don't fly the weed wackers ... its with those who wont engage without an overwhelming advanatge or overwhelming odds and then preach that they are superior.

Slapshot,

I have no wish to escalate any hostility, or to tell you how to enjoy your monthly $14.95 worth. As far as I can tell, I never tried to claim superiority over you or others like you. Fly what you want, how you want.

I don't care if someone wants to claim to be superior in this game to me or anyone else. The stats are there, and we can interpret them how we want.

But what I do find to be a major irritation is when someone seeks to vindicate his own flying style by denouncing someone else's.

[Swager]

Wow!  There are some famous quotes and words of wisdom in this threat.

Nice beginning to the thread there Lazs.

I have actually seen a Rook below 7K feet just the other day.  It was a Typhoon on its way to augering from 24K feet in the process of porking fuel at a Knight base.

This thread has to continue, it is a load of laughs.  

Poops post are the only ones making any sense, and that is a first!  

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[nopoop]

I've been trying Swager.  Thanks !!

It might have something to do with my dedication of taking my daily dose of "Focus Factor".

I buy it in bulk.

[Steve]

bah...totally wrong call steve.

Hornet, I didn't mean to sound hostile in my disagreement, if you perceived it as such, please accept my sincere apology.  Wrong about what?

As hard an out as the skilled B&Z guy already is...its much more a problem if even if you get him pushed down and 2v1'd he is still a threat to win.

Hornet!!!  That's the guy I am trying to be!!  I'd like to be            that that guy while having a K/H of 12(means i'm having fun in a ton o' fights)  without artificially enhancing K/H by augering or vulching(more than anyone else).

Edit:  I've never achieved this, btw.    

[MrSlim]

Wah, wah, wah, somebody didn't play the way I wanted them to. Get over it. (In response to the 1st post)

[beet1e]

Originally posted by MrSlim
Wah, wah, wah, somebody didn't play the way I wanted them to. Get over it. (In response to the 1st post)

LOL, Mr. Slim!  Welcome to this BBS.

[Gunslngr]

Zazen,  This is some of the most intelligent posting I  have        seen on  this board regarding "You don't fly the way I want you to fly so I can easily kill you and feel self important in a game".

Bravo  

Originally posted by Zazen13
Saying Rooks have more P51 and 190 pilots that fly high and only engage selectively isn't a deficiency in testosterone, it is simply flying intelligently in a manner that suits ones aircraft.

 If flying a plane low, slow, and perpetually engaging with the disadvantage in defiance of good prudence and logic is a measure of ones worth in AH, it must also be a measure of ones stupidity. It is only a fool that chooses an aircraft to fly, deliberately flies it in a way totally ill-suited to it's performance characteristics, engages willy-nilly at a disadvantage, then cries about the obvious negative outcome that should have been a foregone conclusion to any intelligent thinking person.

All your post says to me is.... Waaaaaaaa.... Rooks have the patience and discipline to fly smarter than we do

Zazen [/B]

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Gunslngr
Zazen,  This is some of the most intelligent posting I  have        seen on  this board regarding "You don't fly the way I want you to fly so I can easily kill you and feel self important in a game".

Agreed!

[lazs2]

steve... I'm sure there are some of the sky accountants who could get out of their dee 9's and peee 51's and get into early war planes and do well but.... they don't so we won't know.

now, there is an example.... some time back there was a squad of very careful and very good pee 51 guys...  they did very well and covered each other.   they were called the 13th tas..  they were probly the best in the 51 ever.

I challenged them to fly earlywar/slow planes for a tour... I felt it was the only way they would know what I am talking about.   they did and now they know what I am talking about.  They were not spectacular at first in the slow planes.   They have gotten much better... they don't even fly 51's much anymore.

The maps and the strat have given huge advantages to the late war planes.   If you fly a late war plane you are starting with a huge advantage.  

Think about it... what does 25% fuel do to every plane except... the peeee 51?

It is like the old shooting courses where you had to shoot plates with a pistol... you could use any handgun you wanted but one station had 7 plates to shoot as fast as you could.   You could use a revolver if you wanted.   (at the time, all revolvers were a max of 6 shot).

move the fields slightly closer together and never let fuel go below 50%.

lazs

[SlapShot]

Every post you make has a tremendous amount of truth to them until you open your mouth and make statements such as this ...

But, then there's some like Slap, or +Dead, that just want to see how many they can take with them to the grave in their dweebfire of doom.

You don't know me ... you have never fought me, yet you can make such statements.

Like I said before and maybe you didn't catch it ... I love to land my kills, BUT if there is still a fight to be fought, then I am going to fight it as long as I have gas, ammo, and a target. Thats MY choice ... that is what I pay $14.95 for.

Just yesterday on my first 3 hops I went 20-0 before dieing ... surely not the characteristics of someone who really doesn't care to land kills.

Just because I don't subscribe to YOUR idea of playing this game, and just because I don't choose to fly a plane that you approve of, I am somewhat lesser than you and a dweeb ? GFY

Your still a pompous bellybutton and now a hypocrit.

[Hornet]

Originally posted by Steve
Hornet, I didn't mean to sound hostile in my disagreement, if you perceived it as such, please accept my sincere apology.  Wrong about what?

cc sry steve...was referring to being wrong bout the hero worship, wasnt lookin at flyin style.


as an aside...ever wonder why the hardcore e-fight guys get so bent bout the knife-fighters? Tactically speaking they should be singing furballing its praises and trying to convert as many as possible on the bbs. It could've been the greatest troll in history. Hell get everyone low and turning, would make things easier for em...always thot that was odd...

[Shane]

Originally posted by Hornet
as an aside...ever wonder why the hardcore e-fight guys get so bent bout the knife-fighters? Tactically speaking they should be singing furballing its praises and trying to convert as many as possible on the bbs. It could've been the greatest troll in history. Hell get everyone low and turning, would make things easier for em...always thot that was odd...

cuz them alt-monkey-bnz-cherrypicking-runatslightesthintofthreat-dweebs can only think linearly.

[11dano11]

Hornet --"as an aside...ever wonder why the hardcore e-fight guys get so bent bout the knife-fighters?"--

Not sure what you mean.  What e-fight guy has gotten bent about the knife-fighters??  It's ALWAYS the other way around.