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Offline Wolf14

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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2004, 07:43:37 PM »
masking tape and a 6 inch piece of yarn taped outside the cockpit  works as a good turn indicator. Just dont have your engine running. It will alwyas be straight :)

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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2004, 08:23:20 PM »
..as a side note beet and I would argue about the color green.
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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2004, 04:50:34 AM »
Nopoop! You're such a nice chap, and fun to argue with too. :):D

You said it was not a "turn indicator". I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you thought I was still talking about the ball. I wasn't, and had moved on to the turn indicator instrument, as depicted in my picture - with comment. :lol It is clearly marked as a TURN indicator, but you said it wasn't a turn indicator.

Virages explanation is a good one. Read the last two sentences of it 100 times.
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Your "turn" gauge shows exactly what the stick and ball does. A bank to the left and a slip to right. Requiring left rudder to center the ball.
I'll have to give you the benefit of the doubt here also; that may be how it's set up in AH, but having done my own tests, I can tell you that it's not set up properly, and does not provide valid rate of turn information in AH.

Indeed, as Virage's C&P reminds us, it is a useful instrument in the event that the vacuum system fails - the turn ind. will still work because it has a different source of power. Some aircraft don't have a vacuum system, and the instrumentation is "partial panel" - no artificial horizon or direction ind., just the turn and ball.

Virage's C&P said
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The turn needle of the turn-and-bank indicator gives an indirect indication of the bank attitude of the aircraft.
That statement is clouded by the words "indirect indication". The fact is, the turn indicator will not provide an absolute indication of the angle of bank, because there's another factor that enters the equation. Speed. A plane like your C150 travelling at 100mph can make a Rate 1 turn of 3° per second with a modest angle of bank. Indeed, taxiing on the ground, it can make a Rate 1 turn without having to bank at all! But a faster plane, travelling at say 250mph, will need to bank more steeply to achieve that Rate 1 turn.

So yes, the turn indicator could be used as a loose indication of angle of bank - in coordinated flight and at a predetermined speed.

One could also argue that a clock that stopped at 8:44 is dead accurate twice in each 24 hour day. True, but not a lot of use. :aok

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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2004, 05:50:17 AM »
Ahh!!!

Now I know why i suck so bad.

The noodle and pea doesn't work right.

That was good for my ego.

If HTC ever fixes this, be afraid!

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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2004, 06:03:58 AM »
To pull the tongue out of my cheek:

If it's any consolation, the AH horizon is overmodelled.
It is perfect, like a lazer gyro.
I'm sure this was to compensate for the dodgy turn and slip indicator.
Most mechanical gyros will be thrown completely out of whack with just a few aerobatic moves.

HT, YOU NEED TO FIX THIS!

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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2004, 08:56:12 AM »
Hmm but the spit didn't have a ball. That gagues is exactly the same as all needel and ball setups on other planes . We just put an extra ball on most planes closer to the gun sight.

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« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2004, 05:48:35 AM »
Extra balls never hurt no one :)

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« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2004, 06:34:27 AM »
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
Extra balls never hurt no one :)


unless they get stepped on.

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