3 Years in Jail

[Scootter]

Originally posted by Fishu
I can't wait to hear when someone gets a bullet in his head, dropping from the sky...

What goes up, goes down.

Like in Afganistan, during wedding celebration some genie decided to celebrate it by shooting his weapon straight at the sky and a bullet drilled into the husbands head..

A shot fired into the air will be "spent" and just tumble back down at its terminal velocity. It will be tha same as if you drooped it from a building and will not be lethal unless its a 20mm round with some weight to it. It is a myth that bullets fall to earth and kill, most of the rounds that kill from firing a weapon into the air are from an auto weapon and the user hits some around him or in a building due to not having control of the recoiling weapon.

I submit that you can not be killed by a small caliber weapon round falling to earth.

a bruise maybe

[Capt. Pork]

What part of DE? North or Slower Lower?

If it's slower lower I am sad. Any place that pioneers something as cool as Punkin Chunkin should have more sense when it comes to a man's rights as a gunowner.

[Tarmac]

Originally posted by Maniac
Must be hard to keep up with state to state laws! why dont have the same laws for the whole country?

That's the whole point behind the United States of America.  I can't think of a better way to keep the government representative than by having separate laws for many small jurisdictions.  Hell, it's bad enough that Californians get to vote for Federal laws that affect me halfway across the country.

[ALF]

While it is true that many times a bullet that falls back to earth and hits someone it doesnt kill them (small caliber of course)...it is by no means a myth.  Many people are killed each years are small arms fire returns from being fired in the air.  

Keep in mind that while the terminal velocity of a small caliber bullet is ~300 f.p.s. and that isnt TYPICALY enough to kill, it is enough to kill at times.  Not a ure thing...not even an overly likely thing...but much more than an insignificant chance.

[Airhead]

Originally posted by ALF
While it is true that many times a bullet that falls back to earth and hits someone it doesnt kill them (small caliber of course)...it is by no means a myth.  Many people are killed each years are small arms fire returns from being fired in the air.  

Keep in mind that while the terminal velocity of a small caliber bullet is ~300 f.p.s. and that isnt TYPICALY enough to kill, it is enough to kill at times.  Not a ure thing...not even an overly likely thing...but much more than an insignificant chance.

...Which is why we should expand our helmet laws to make it illegal to be in public without a helmet. Who knows when a stray round, a meteror, or a frog won't smack us in the head, killing us?

Think about the humanity, gentlemen...Think about the humanity.

[Capt. Pork]

Are you sure about that terminal Velocity? 300 fps is only about 200mph--which is just slightly more than a human can achieve while assuming the most aerodynamic diving position (arms folded back, going head down). Lead, whether jacketed with steel or not, is way more dense than human flesh, and far more aerodynamic in shape.

[Airhead]

If you're that concerned then wear a helmet- and if you're concerned over the plight of the Common Man then urge your legislators to expand helmet laws to pedestrians. It's for our own good, right?

[Mini D]

Originally posted by Curval
Surpise!

And your response isn't?

There's alot of things that simply don't make much sense with the story.  What do you want from it?  An explanation how he could go to jail?  Some explanations provided shed some light on it in regards to being threatening, but they really don't account for a 3 year jail sentance.  That's a felony crime.

Something else was going on there.  Considerably more than what people are forming suppositions on.  

Will someone go to prison for 3 years for trying to scare someone off of their property with a gun?  Maybe, maybe not.  The things that make the difference are the things that are not included in what your friend told you.  If some verizon technicians show up in your yard for no reason, you most likely can question them and ask them to leave, even while carrying a gun.  If some verizon guys show up to disconnect your cable and you get pissed about it... well... things are considered alot differently.

It's just not cut and dry.  The little things do matter.  They matter a great deal.

MiniD

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Scootter
A shot fired into the air will be "spent" and just tumble back down at its terminal velocity. It will be tha same as if you drooped it from a building and will not be lethal unless its a 20mm round with some weight to it. It is a myth that bullets fall to earth and kill, most of the rounds that kill from firing a weapon into the air are from an auto weapon and the user hits some around him or in a building due to not having control of the recoiling weapon.

I submit that you can not be killed by a small caliber weapon round falling to earth.

a bruise maybe

Somehow I doubt it'd be just a bruise... anyhow, I'd hate to be hit by a bullet dropping from the sky, because some moron was shooting up in the air just for the fun of it.
Even by a bruise, the person would be quite damn pissed off and would most likely call the police, which wouldn't be good for the shooter...

On yearly basis alot of people are getting wounded by this and some are killed.
If you're using 9mm (~115 grams) or kalashnikov 7.62mm (~122 grams, whole bullet I believe, reduce some 7-15 grams from the charge), it's almost the same when it comes down.
It'll hurt...  and if it hits well, you're dead.
If this guy uses .45, then it needs even less velocity to do bad damage.

[Ping]

Cut'n'Paste alert!!
Do a google on falling bullet deaths. Happens

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/border/4137.php
Since the adoption in Arizona of Shannon's Law 2 1/2 years ago, that means a Class 6 felony. The law was passed by the Legislature after the death of Shannon Smith, a Phoenix teenager killed by a falling bullet in June 1999.
On Jan. 1, 1997, a pregnant Tucson woman was struck in the abdomen by a falling bullet. Both she and her baby survived.

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/965672/posts
Spc. James I. Lambert III, 22, of Raleigh, N.C. — assigned to the 1st Armored Division — was killed on July 31 in Baghdad when a stray bullet fired by a celebrating Iraqi struck him.
Lambert was standing outside around 7:30 p.m. when fate and the bullet suddenly hit him square in the head. He was evacuated to the 28th Combat Support Hospital where he later died of the wound, the Army reported.

[Steve]

LOL Fishu is right on, there is a very well documented case in Arizona of a girl.. Shannon someting that died from a falling round.  There is a law in AZ called "Shannon's law"  regarding firing rounds off in urban area as a result. Also a streamlined object like a bullet will fall faster than the  terminal velocity of say, a human.  Now, if you have any say  .45 rounds... hold a bullet in your hand.. then imagine it hitting you in the top of your head at only terminal velocity. Remember, terminal velocity is a variable.. differs for different objects.

I got this info off the internet:

The more compact and dense the object, the higher its terminal velocity will be

and this:
It will return to the ground at a speed of some 70 metres per second. This sounds quite low but, because of the predominance of cranial injuries, the proportion of deaths and serious injury as a proportion of the number of gunshot wounds is surprisingly high. It is typically some five times more than is observed in normal firing.

from this link:   http://www.villman.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1087

And this:

Shannon's Law was named after Shannon Smith, a 14-year-old girl killed in her back yard in June 1999 by a bullet that fell from the sky. At that time, firing random shots in the air was only a misdemeanor. The law passed the state Legislature in July 2000.

link:     http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0103phxshootfolo03.html

I hope this helps explain how indeed a bullet falling from the sky can be quite fatal.

[deSelys]

Originally posted by Fishu
If you're using 9mm (~115 grams) or kalashnikov 7.62mm (~122 grams, whole bullet I believe, reduce some 7-15 grams from the charge), it's almost the same when it comes down.
It'll hurt...  and if it hits well, you're dead.
If this guy uses .45, then it needs even less velocity to do bad damage.

Bullet weight is not in grams but in grains. I don't know the exact conversion but 115 grains is only a few grams. Can a gun expert give us the real measure pls?

[Dowding]

. Also a streamlined object like a bullet will fall faster than terminal velocity.

It cannot fall faster than its terminal velocity. Its terminal velocity is fixed by its aerodynamic properties. Like you say, different objects have individual terminal velocities. Different objects with the same mass may also have individual terminal velocities.

Still, it must count as the most unluckiest death in the world to buy the farm via a falling bullet.

[Steve]

Dowding, you are absolutely correct.  I meant to say the treminal velocity of a human.. as in a person parachuting... which is about 120 mph.

I'm tired, but caught my mistake.. even before you posted the glitch.  


Sleepy.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by deSelys
Bullet weight is not in grams but in grains. I don't know the exact conversion but 115 grains is only a few grams. Can a gun expert give us the real measure pls?

Uh yeah.. you're right, I weren't paying too much attention on the spelling at the time.
Can see I haven't obeyed the normal sleeping times today...