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Offline JB73

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« on: January 26, 2004, 07:29:07 PM »
i have to say .. i thought i was the only dora geek left with all the jabo-tards in the MA as of late.

thought everyone would be skinning the spits and carp once this came out LOL.


ty all for these lovely skins to use once AHII is up. how about sending your completed skins our to jb73@wi.rr.com so i can fly offline with them?
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2004, 07:50:59 PM »
found a sweet site for images and stuff if you didnt know about it:
Luftwaffe fighter aces aircraft in profile

i humbly request one of you uber skinners make "black 12" like this one:

on the other side had the yellow "defense of the reich" bands.

got a great image in a book but no scanner


this one:
http://www.kitreview.com/reviews/yellow10reviewbw_1.htm

though a d11 would still amke a sweet skin IMHO too.
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2004, 07:40:38 AM »
JB73,

I'm currently doing the FW-190D9 'Red 1' JV44, the mount of Heink Sachensberg.  Should have something to show you in a few days.

« Last Edit: January 30, 2004, 07:45:20 AM by Gremlin »

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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2004, 10:34:50 AM »
cc. i started playing with making one of these....

MAN that stuff is over my head. i have no uber-graphics programs... and wouldnt know the terminology if i had to.

for example

after that i got 100 other questions LOL.

im afraid if i made a skin it would be too "sharp" in the edges if you know what i mean.

like this:

that has boggled my mind for years.

i think ill just leave it to the experts.
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2004, 10:57:31 AM »
First install this..

http://ftp://ftp.arnes.si/software/gimp-win/gtk+-1.3.0-20030717-setup-1.zip

then this

http://ftp://ftp.arnes.si/software/gimp-win/gimp-1.2.5-20030729-setup-1.zip

then this

http://ftp://ftp.arnes.si/software/gimp-win/gimp-1.2.5-lzw-setup.zip


Then you have a very high quality on par with photoshop free image editor that will do anything you need.


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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2004, 01:58:47 PM »
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Originally posted by JB73
cc. i started playing with making one of these....

MAN that stuff is over my head. i have no uber-graphics programs... and wouldnt know the terminology if i had to.

for example

after that i got 100 other questions LOL.

im afraid if i made a skin it would be too "sharp" in the edges if you know what i mean.

like this:

that has boggled my mind for years.

i think ill just leave it to the experts.


I hear ya JB, wish I could do it too. I love Mpoikel's skin. Even though it is not historical, I think it is worthy of the main
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2004, 03:21:41 PM »
I hear ya JB73!  Only after 20 hours in PSP I'm beginning to get the hang of it... but I still feel like a noob.  I have just discovered "layers" and am rejoicing and slapping myself at the same time :D

Its all about the layers
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2004, 06:18:11 PM »
1. I have no idea how Nate or Superfly does it, JB73, but there's this really really simple method to give the panel lines the 1pixel shadows.

 I'm not sure how much you are familiar with the Photoshop program, but if you know how to use it, then u can simply utilize the selection options to do it easily.

 CTRL+click on the layer which contains the panel lines. That will marquee all the panel lines present in the file.

 Then, modify the selected area(becareful that you do not move the underlying, initial panel lines with it) by moving it down 0.5~1 pixel, and left/right 0.5~1 pixel.

 Choose a tone a darker tone of color, and color the selected areas with it and voila, you get a nice 'shadowed' panel line.


2. That's not a gradient. That "grain", is a result of RGB colors being transformed into 256 indexed colors. When you change the RGB to indexed colors, a 50~75% dithering will give that grain.

 Gradiating or highlighting the plane, is pretty much how you'd highlight a model plane. Simply use brighter colors and a touch of white over round/bulged surfaces, and use darker/black colors on the edges to give a 'rounded out' effect.


3. The "sharp edges" are a result of using the pencil tool with created paths. For some reason, Photoshop pencil option does not allow anti-aliasing.

 However, you can simply choose the brush tool instead of the pencil tool, when drawing a line which follows the created path. The brush tool, will use anti-aliasing, and make it look 'soft'.

 I've seen even the default skins having the 'blocky' lines, and that's probably because Nate and Supe didn't have enough time to fix the small details.

 When laying the panel lines over the plane, the blocky lines a la pencil tool is much easier to cope with. The brush tool gives out softer lines, but since it 'smudges' the lines to bring out that effect, the curved lines may look awkward when the skin is finished, and you have to fix the small problems manually.

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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2004, 07:18:05 PM »
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CTRL+click on the layer which contains the panel lines. That will marquee all the panel lines present in the file.

 Then, modify the selected area(becareful that you do not move the underlying, initial panel lines with it) by moving it down 0.5~1 pixel, and left/right 0.5~1 pixel.  
yeah .. you lost me about there lol...

i have never used much more than MSpaint, and something i had on an old PC... Kai's photo soap. ohh .. something called ulead photoimpact 4.0 once on old PC (both programs came with the PC from micron about 5 years ago)

like i said im totally lost with all the termonolgy and abilities of graphic stuff.
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2004, 08:29:53 AM »
Just some of my tips;

If you are modifying skins rather than creating them from scratch the your very best friend in all the world becomes the 'clone' tool.  As the name suggests it allows you to paint an area using the texture from another area.  Great for removing existing markings while leaving the underlying texture intact, or if you need to remove a texture and as a result you remove some lines too, you can then use the clone tool to replace the damaged panel line or rivet.

As far as creating skins from scratch, my first step is to take an existing skin and apply something like a 'black pencil' filter to it.  This has the effect of removing the textures and just leaving black lines where the original panel lines used to be.  You can then use this layer purely as a guide for all your later work so you know exactly where to put everything.

Make sure you use separate layers for everything.  Have a layer for each camo colour, panel lines, insignia, weathering, shading etc.  This way you can change one without messing up other stuff.

Make masks and alpha channels your best friends.  Read the help files it may sound complex but its not really too tough oince you get the hang of it.


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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2004, 03:30:30 PM »
Kweassa have you tried drawing the panels lines as a vector object then doing a dropshadow effect with them?