Georgia considers banning 'evolution'

[Kieran]

Hey, if I am a threat to the intent of your thread, I'm gone. Thought you wanted to discuss it, and I also believe it has been very civil.

[miko2d]

aknimitz: The majority... cannot opt-out of the Constitution ...

 They can and they did.

 According to the Constitution, the Federal Government has no power whatsoever to interfere with education. All its powers are enumerated and taxing people in order to run a socialist school system and set standards for education is not one of them.

 As opposed to limiting the Federal Government, the Constitution sets very few and very specific limits on the power of the States and the People and nowhere does it say anything about mandatory teaching of Evolution.

 Schooling changes and makes people. The government is supposed to be made by people and represent people and be changed by the people in the way that suits them - not make and change the people in a way that suits the government.

 miko

[aknimitz]

Kieren, wasnt directed at you - you're no threat. Just didnt intend on debating, thats all.

Miko - Separation of Church and State. States create and fund *public* schools, cannot have the will of the majority (religion) imposed on the minority.

Nim

[AKIron]

Originally posted by aknimitz
Kieren, wasnt directed at you - you're no threat. Just didnt intend on debating, thats all.

lol    

you are joking right?

[aknimitz]

Unfortunately, no.

[miko2d]

aknimitz: Miko - Separation of Church and State. States create and fund *public* schools, cannot have the will of the majority (religion) imposed on the minority.

 "Separation of Church and State" - what a lie. Where does it say in the Constitution about Church? Nowhere!
 Here is what it says: "...shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

 It sounds to me as much a "Separation of Atheism and State" as "Separation of Church and State". How come atheism can be funded but not religion?

 And who "shall make no law"? The "Congress". The restriction applies to US Federal Government solely.

 The states can do whatever they damn please as long as they stay republics and abide by very few very specific limitations enumerated in the Constitution.

 If you local state Constitution prevents Texas from funding religionus education, you should resolve the issue locally.
 I may oppose New York State funding the religious - or any public - schools, but I cannot see how it is anybody's business but us New Yorkers.

 miko

[aknimitz]

Miko, do you have any idea what you are talking about, or are you just making stuff up?

From the U.S. Supreme Court, in one of hundreds of published opinions on the issue:

"This utilization of the State's tax supported public school system and its machinery for compulsory public school attendance to enable sectarian groups to give religious instruction to public school pupils in public school buildings violates the First Amendment of the Constitution, made applicable to the states by the Fourteenth Amendment."

[Nakhui]

Originally posted by aknimitz
This thread is gonna go to hell in a handbasket, but what the hay!

You can't say "hell!" It hasn't been proven scientifically to exist... except when you come home after a stage party and the wife says she has a headache - that's hell.

You creationist KREATON!

[aknimitz]

Bleh!

[Frogm4n]

Fundalmentalist of any religion are scary as hell. Its a matter of time before they start suicide bombing our schools because they teach things other then the bibble.

[Frogm4n]

miko is always making stuff up. you see he is not from this country and does not fully understand its history.

[miko2d]

aknimitz: Miko, do you have any idea what you are talking about, or are you just making stuff up?
 From the U.S. Supreme Court, in one of hundreds of published opinions on the issue: made applicable to the states by the Fourteenth Amendment."

 So what? I disagree with the US Supreme court and side with the Founding Fathers on that issue. Since when is disagreeing with you automatically makes a person ignorant?

 Supreme Court made many decisions that directly contradict the US Constitution.

 The particular case you cited here was decided by 6-1 vote. So there was at least one Justice (J. Reed) who also probably did not "have any idea what you are talking about, or are you just making stuff up".

 miko

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Frogm4n
Fundalmentalist of any religion are scary as hell. Its a matter of time before they start suicide bombing our schools because they teach things other then the bibble.

Some are scared of their own shadow.

[Frogm4n]

This is what happens when you teach people that only religion is correct. They dont care about the corporeal world, but are only concerned about what happens after death.

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by miko2d
So what? I disagree with the US Supreme court and side with the Founding Fathers on that issue.

 In Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist Association, he mentions a wall of separation between church and state. With actions like the Salem witch trials and the use of demonic puritan laws still fresh in their minds, you could see why  he would want the separation.

http://grove.ufl.edu/~leo/tj.html

What he is saying is that he too, is a very religious man. But that faith should be between a man and God, not government and God. In other words, teaching your religion at home to your kids and attending church is fine. But it should not be involved in government decisions.

What a man ahead of his time. He had a vision of the future, and knew more religions would be involved as the country grew. By not letting government favor one religion over the other, it keeps everyone equal, and prevents devide.

Recent events in other parts of the world (and from events in the past such as the spanish inquisition and from nazi extermination of the Jews) should prove beyond a doubt what happens w/o this separation. If you don't see it by now, you never will.  

Now private school is a different matter, it is private, and they can teach whatever religion they want. But there are cults that you can join for that for free. If i'm goin to spend the dough on private school, it's not to teach them religion. Might as well teach them astrology, at least that might get them a job.

I think one of the problems with the country is the deterioration of the public school system, it was at one time the best in the world.