Author Topic: P51 Skin - Tuskegee (Read 3054 times)

Frstrm · « **Reply #30 on:** February 04, 2004, 06:14:22 PM »

Well, I've been doing some research and found that the wing stripes were wrong. Unless someone can show me something different.

Ramitelli Airfield, Italy
15 AF
306 Fighter Wing
332 Fighter Group

All planes in this group had red tails and red spiners.
Trim tabs and area behind the spinners had different colors based on squadran

99 FS - Blue tabs on tail - Blue behind spinner
100 FS - Black tabs on tail - Red behind spinner with arrow back under exhaust pipes
301 FS - White tabs on tail - Red behind spinner
302 FS - Yellow tabs on tail - Yellow behind spinner

reference oil paint art
http://www.starduststudios.com/Profile4.htm

The hard part is I can't find any hard references on the Wing ID stripes. The only reference I have to go by is art done by painters.

Updated Images based on research

http://www.virtualworld.com/utility/files/ah2/tusk1.jpg
http://www.virtualworld.com/utility/files/ah2/tusk3.jpg
http://www.virtualworld.com/utility/files/ah2/tusk4.jpg

I still have to clean up a bunch of stuff,
gear doors
black cowling
wing stripes

Shane · « **Reply #31 on:** February 04, 2004, 07:47:20 PM »

much better coloring... good work...

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #32 on:** February 05, 2004, 12:06:00 PM »

I havent forgotten...horse is foaling...and I havent had time to look at my photo collection,

OTN, the P51C does not only have yellow stripes on the wing but on the rudder assembly as well. I cannot say if the color scheme I photographed is accurate or not.

I feel like a total scumbag for leaving you hanging, so here's a link with a photo of the actual aircraft for the time being...

http://redtail.org/airplane/index.shtml

Gainsie

PS Shane, if someone named 2bull is talking trash to you on Ch1, it's me, since I cancelled my old account for a while and am using a friends..and ruining his good name in the process LOL.

Frstrm · « **Reply #33 on:** February 05, 2004, 01:08:26 PM »

"In order to represent all those associated with the Tuskegee experience the aircraft has been painted with markings from each of the fighter squadrons. The letter "A" was a designation for the 99th Fighter Squadron. The yellow bands on the end of the wing was a scheme associated with the 101st Fighter Squadron. The number 42 was the series of numbers denoting the 301st Fighter Squadron. The yellow trim tabs and red and yellow nose strips were paint schemes from the 302nd Fighter Squadron. The decals from the bomber squadrons are displayed on the fuselage. "

Ok, this explains some of the wing markings. Thanks

However since i'm doing the p51D here and it's from the 301st I'll use the single yellow band on the wings.

If, and when, the p51B comes out, i'll reskin it with the 101 colors. I do like the double yellow bands with red tips.

As to the Rudder, it's just the trim tabs that were painted different colors depending on squadran. I have found several references for this...

Sikboy · « **Reply #34 on:** February 05, 2004, 01:56:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Frstrm

If, and when, the p51B comes out, i'll reskin it with the 101 colors. I do like the double yellow bands with red tips.

Hasn't it already?

It's looking good though. I even liked the original with the muddy colors lol. And this is why I don't skin.

-Sik

Frstrm · « **Reply #35 on:** February 05, 2004, 02:13:57 PM »

hehe, yeah actually, I was just thinking about that and was about to edit that post... You beat me to it... lol

Mitsu · « **Reply #36 on:** February 05, 2004, 08:31:21 PM »

Wow, what an amazing skin! great work!!!

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #37 on:** February 05, 2004, 08:40:48 PM »

If the wing skins are mirrored how come the top star and bar is only on one wing, same for the red L shaped marking on the inside of the flap?

Frstrm · « **Reply #38 on:** February 05, 2004, 10:19:34 PM »

I wondered the same thing. I think those are actually added by the game engine.

I was able to get the gear door areas cleaned up for the front two gears today. If you look at the wing texture file, the actual texture space used by the gear door is about 6 more pixels into the black space. you have to extend the texture to make it look correct.

I also fixed the red caps for the fuel tanks to look correct in the yellow strip space. Even added a little streaking from the gas on the wing behind it.

For some reason i'm getting a yellow streak on the rear gear door and can't figure where it is coming from. I'm wondering if like the cockpit strut issue if part of a wing segment is being used for the rear door texture... sigh...

ramzey · « **Reply #39 on:** February 05, 2004, 10:50:59 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
If the wing skins are mirrored how come the top star and bar is only on one wing, same for the red L shaped marking on the inside of the flap?

surface of wings is mirrored, same as fuselage
but
stars, red L mark for "no step", right side of fuselage with Squadron letters markings, noseart are placed on overlayed object

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #40 on:** February 06, 2004, 01:31:40 AM »

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Originally posted by ramzey
surface of wings is mirrored, same as fuselage
but
stars, red L mark for "no step", right side of fuselage with Squadron letters markings, noseart are placed on overlayed object

So can you do that with camuflage on one wing top, make the whole camo scheme as this overlayed object so you end up with different camo pattern on the other wing?

MadBirdCZ · « **Reply #41 on:** February 06, 2004, 03:30:30 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So can you do that with camuflage on one wing top, make the whole camo scheme as this overlayed object so you end up with different camo pattern on the other wing?

Short, easy and disappointing answer: NO

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #42 on:** February 06, 2004, 04:06:55 AM »

Why not?

In graphic terms how is a camo pattern different from a star and bar insignia?

straffo · « **Reply #43 on:** February 06, 2004, 04:20:11 AM »

(short version)

Because the camo is applied to the whole surface of the wing when the marking is applied on a little surface of this wing.

Frstrm · « **Reply #44 on:** February 06, 2004, 04:22:14 AM »

I think what he is trying to say is this:

Example, the Red L:
Is added by the game engine. It is not on any of the editable texture files for the skin. So they are using the game engine to add the NON-MIRROR effect. Thus you are unable to do anything about it to change it or duplicate the non-mirror effect thru editing the texture skin files.