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[Krusher]

Originally posted by banana
IBM is by far the best employer I've ever had. The working conditions are great, the pay is great, the environment is stimulating.

Outsourcing is getting weirder and weirder.  

I am an HP employee who is building IBM servers for a customer that we are providing other services for.

Welcome to the new IT

btw banana,  as an HP employee I must say.  

IBM sucks !

I had to say that, its in the employee handbook... sorry

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Looks like my Network Mgmt degree is going to be completely useless when I get it.
-SW

[Krusher]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Looks like my Network Mgmt degree is going to be completely useless when I get it.
-SW

Its not as easy to outsource a hands on positions.  I wouldnt be too woried about it.

[Zippatuh]

I work on the hardware and next to network so if I get walked out the door it will be several years from now.  I can see the projects that I’m working on though making me obsolete when it’s complete.

It has to maintenanced so chances are, in the end of it all, I’ll land somewhere.

SW – your in management, those jobs aren’t being outsourced .

[Gunslinger]

One wonders if a company can avoid the US completly by outsourcing their customers as well?????

[Stringer]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
One wonders if a company can avoid the US completly by outsourcing their customers as well?????

Those same customers that go to the competition because their prices are cheaper because they have lowered their cost structure?

Yeah, those are the same customers.

You buy from Walmart because of their prices and then, while in the check out aisle, complain about jobs being lost to overseas manufacturers.

[Charon]

One wonders if a company can avoid the US completly by outsourcing their customers as well?????

I think one concept is that any losses in the US customer base will be made up by the newly affluent (by third world standards) in areas like India, etc. So, with their Taco Bell cashier level salaries these new programmers etc. will be able to by more corporate products, which, of course, will be made in Mexico.

All we're doing, IMO, is helping teach the developing world how to challeng our existing long term marketplace advantages in exchange for short term profits for top shareholders, CEOs and the politicians they buy.  As this excellent Wired article states in relation from our shift from manufacturing to service and knowledge/innovation: "Once you give away knowledge, what's left?"

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.02/india.html

Charon

[mars01]

Huh lol,

You guys are really talking about offshoring.  That is what is going to fk us.

IBM has been and is in the process of ramping up its offshoring to india.  Do you think the cost of IBM bs is going to go down.  No potato peeling way.  Do you think the salaries of Top mngment are going to go up You bet your prettythang.

The potato peeling corporapetions are selling out the USA to line their pockets and it is going to bite America in the prettythang.

The worst part is once China gets involved to full scale forget about India.  China will do to india what India is doing to US.

The Dems were talking about this in the last debate and want to remove any tax benifits that may come from offshoring and add tax breaks to companies that keep the work here.

All I can say is, you poor bastards in CS programs now are not going to have to much to look foreward to when you graduate.

If you dont agree just ask all the workers that lost their jobs to NAFTA.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Stringer
Those same customers that go to the competition because their prices are cheaper because they have lowered their cost structure?

Yeah, those are the same customers.

You buy from Walmart because of their prices and then, while in the check out aisle, complain about jobs being lost to overseas manufacturers.

FYI  My wife shops at Wall-mart not me.  I allow this in order to not have to do or attend shopping time.  Myself I only shop when the family requirs somthing at: lowes, home depot, autozon/pepboys.  I'm sure these companys are not different or just slightly less evil than the great wall-mart.

[LePaul]

Great Wired article (tho long)

You can't export creativity tho

As a ech support guy here, I get a lot of surprised customers who get to speak to someone that knows the product, speaks english well, and is an American.  Over the past few months, that seems to be the first question we get...are you in the USA?  People seem to be asking

[cpxxx]

Originally posted by Krusher
Outsourcing is getting weirder and weirder.  

I am an HP employee who is building IBM servers for a customer that we are providing other services for.
Welcome to the new IT

btw banana,  as an HP employee I must say.  

IBM sucks !

I had to say that, its in the employee handbook... sorry

As an IBMer I am contractually obliged to say HP sucks. As it happens it's true;)  Why else would you be building IBM servers?

We just can't build enough of the things here in Dublin. Every end of quarter the sky darkens with squadrons of Russian Antonov 12 cargo planes full of IBM servers going all over the world. Business is booming and IBM is doing very well indeed. So buying shares is a good idea.

On the other hand unlike banana I find that working for IBM sucks. To be fair it's only the part I actually work for that sucks. The people who build the servers think it's great.  Just been told my variable pay rate this year. 2.2 % for a 2 rating. No typo, 2 point 2 per cent.  That I could stomach if it was good to work here but the place is run by people for whom the name 'banana' is is appropriate.  The server people got I think 9%.  I work for the wrong IBM obviously. I can't afford to buy IBM shares with my lousy so called bonus. Time for a transfer.

As for outsourcing, well technically the Dublin plant could have been called outsourcing but in fact it was more of an expansion. I can see us been outsourced eventually.  They moved here for a technically literate workforce and lower by US standards, pay. Guess where they have a literate English speaking low paid these days? Yes India.

That's the way it is these days. Competition makes it neccessary.

[cpxxx]

Originally posted by Krusher
Outsourcing is getting weirder and weirder.  

I am an HP employee who is building IBM servers for a customer that we are providing other services for.
Welcome to the new IT

btw banana,  as an HP employee I must say.  

IBM sucks !

I had to say that, its in the employee handbook... sorry

As an IBMer I am contractually obliged to say HP sucks. As it happens it's true;)  Why else would you be building IBM servers?

We just can't build enough of the things here in Dublin. Every end of quarter the sky darkens with squadrons of Russian Antonov 12 cargo planes full of IBM servers going all over the world. Business is booming and IBM is doing very well indeed. So buying shares is a good idea.

On the other hand unlike banana I find that working for IBM sucks. To be fair it's only the part I actually work for that sucks. The people who build the servers think it's great.  Just been told my variable pay rate this year. 2.2 % for a 2 rating. No typo, 2 point 2 per cent.  That I could stomach if it was good to work here but the place is run by people for whom the name 'banana' is is appropriate.  The server people got I think 9%.  I work for the wrong IBM obviously. I can't afford to buy IBM shares with my lousy so called bonus. Time for a transfer.

As for outsourcing, well technically the Dublin plant could have been called outsourcing but in fact it was more of an expansion. I can see us been outsourced eventually.  They moved here for a technically literate workforce and lower by US standards, pay. Guess where they have a literate English speaking low paid these days? Yes India.

That's the way it is these days. Competition makes it neccessary.