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Offline Wilbus

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« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2004, 02:04:21 AM »
Hajo's been drinking again...













































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« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2004, 07:09:48 AM »
"Hajos been drinking again"

Wilbuz....the word is "still"

as in "Hajos still drinking!  :D
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« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2004, 08:21:40 AM »
Hajo is also entirely correct.

Its your time, its your dime, you decide what to do with it & how to fly/have fun.

Ignore what anyone else says. Either they are ticked off cause you just killed em, or they are even more ticked off cause they can't kill you.

Both situations mean you just won.  :)

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« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2004, 10:10:07 AM »
zazen prays at the altar of metavoss...

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« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2004, 10:19:42 AM »
i believe htc has said over and over this is a game not a sim.

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« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2004, 12:27:51 PM »
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zazen prays at the altar of metavoss...

lazs


Actually, I pray at the altar of the actual pilots that fought during World War 2, no matter what side they flew for. The same ones that inspire my imagination when I read of their harrowing exploits and heroic resolve. When I fly, I am performing a ritual of commemoration and rememberance in their honor. I even go so far as to immitate their methodology and tactics, to the best of my ability, endeavoring to at least vaguely fathom how they may have felt battling, with grim determination, for their lives in the skies over Europe and the Pacific.

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a little of both
« Reply #36 on: February 07, 2004, 02:10:43 PM »
id have to say a little of both because i find myself using the gv's more and more to sneak in and take down a base

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« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2004, 08:42:18 AM »
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i believe htc has said over and over this is a game not a sim.


He's referred to it as both.  But, it's apparent the sim part started slipping awhile back.
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« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2004, 10:02:05 AM »
selective realism is merely ego with an excuse.... if you use the gamiest , least realistic features of the game to excell and then call it "realistc" behavior.... you are fooling no on but your own ego...  say for instantce...

What would be one of the gamiest features?   The ostie I'm sure everyone would say... spawn camping.... How bout ship gunner... most would agree that is pretty unrealistic or... if you do have to fly....   someone like I am talking about would probly use the tiffie... a plane that's engine rarely ran well.. one not seen much in any theatre but certainly not used against early war planes and certainly not 100% reliable..   yeah... I would say most of those are pretty gamey...  hardly a tribute to real WWII pilots.

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« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2004, 10:29:50 AM »
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selective realism is merely ego with an excuse.... if you use the gamiest , least realistic features of the game to excell and then call it "realistc" behavior.... you are fooling no on but your own ego...  say for instantce...

What would be one of the gamiest features?   The ostie I'm sure everyone would say... spawn camping.... How bout ship gunner... most would agree that is pretty unrealistic or... if you do have to fly....   someone like I am talking about would probly use the tiffie... a plane that's engine rarely ran well.. one not seen much in any theatre but certainly not used against early war planes and certainly not 100% reliable..   yeah... I would say most of those are pretty gamey...  hardly a tribute to real WWII pilots.

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Your comprehension of history is laughable.

A) the Typhoon IB was a fine fighter, it just wasn't the HIGH altitude fighter the RAF and US were looking for and found in the P51's. The design problems of the earlier models were solved. It excelled in medium to low alt roles. It's primary short-fall was a very vulnerable radiator, a definate liability during air to ground missions due to ground fire, which is modelled in AH. Furthermore, I fly other aircraft as well, particularly the F6F-5 and the P47D-30. The Typhoon is my favorite primarily because I have great success killing La7's with it, La7's as we know are in great abundance, especially when fighting Bishops ;)

B) Ground fire accounted for 75% of all lost aircraft, ever heard of Ploesti? The elite anti-aircraft units there decimated the low alt-raid attempts by the Americans. The germans especially had very sophisticated anti-aircraft weapons and used them effectively with highly trained crews.

C) The single most important function of escort ships for carriers was anti-aircraft duty. Other than the aircraft themselves it was the only defense the fleets had vs. attacking aircraft and was generally effective except when it came to suicide 'kamikazes'. Seems realistic to me, pretty much the only way carriers get sunk is from suicide attacks nowadays, a determined suicider can penetrate the AA screen.

Not sure what your definition of gamey is. But, survivalism is not, as I explained earlier, necessarily conducive to high rank/score. In fact, it is generally much easier to rank highly (top 100) in a fighter "Furballing Until You Die". Incidentally, I have never, and will never spawn camp, I think that practice is extremely cheesy. When I speak of game nuances that detract from the realistic/immersive feel, spawn camping tops my list. All of my vehicle kills come from killing would-be vulchers in an Ostwind. I just happen to be very good at it ;)

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« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2004, 10:50:55 AM »
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B) Ground fire accounted for 75% of all lost aircraft, ever heard of Ploesti? The elite anti-aircraft units there decimated the low alt-raid attempts by the Americans. The germans especially had very sophisticated anti-aircraft weapons and used them effectively with highly trained crews.



I have,  one of my family members was part of some Elite anti aircraft unit..  He downed american B-17's on their raids to German occupied lands.

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« Reply #41 on: February 08, 2004, 11:03:56 AM »
so... you are saying that the napier was a very reliable engine that ran cool?

oh... and "groundfire" accounts for most of your kills too doesn't it?

.   the slowest plane you fly is the f6..  if you have to fly from a carrier it would be the best choice.   At alt the 47 is pretty untouchable.

face it... you don't want realism.... you want to have an advantage over the other players and you want to game the game by using the most poorly modeled features.   That is fine but... don't tart it up with some sort of "historical" bent.   Most fighter pilots were agressive and did things that were allmost suicidal when needed... you are an opportunist who has no concept of what they were about.

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« Reply #42 on: February 08, 2004, 11:39:08 AM »
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so... you are saying that the napier was a very reliable engine that ran cool?

oh... and "groundfire" accounts for most of your kills too doesn't it?

.   the slowest plane you fly is the f6..  if you have to fly from a carrier it would be the best choice.   At alt the 47 is pretty untouchable.

face it... you don't want realism.... you want to have an advantage over the other players and you want to game the game by using the most poorly modeled features.   That is fine but... don't tart it up with some sort of "historical" bent.   Most fighter pilots were agressive and did things that were allmost suicidal when needed... you are an opportunist who has no concept of what they were about.

lazs


Lol Lazs, you make no sense at all, you are one confused little dude. With the notable exception of the Japanese kamikazes and the late war German suicide buff killing squadron (rammed them with barely trained pilots), I have never read of any 'suicidal' behavior on the part of WW2 Combat aviators. In fact, if anything, they were even more hell bent on survival than I am (presumably because they actually really died ). The highest regard was given to a pilot who NEVER lost a wingman, or a commander who NEVER lost a pilot to hostile action. In fact, in the Luftwaffe, if a pilot lost his wingman he was forever precluded from command positions, it was a disgrace. Skilled fighter pilots were a scarce and precious resource, not to be squandered recklessly. This was deeply ingrained into the pilot's minds and was reflected in their training and tactical manuals.

 The Typhoon (the napier sabre IIa wasn't particularly unreliable, it just had poor performance at altitude and a very vulnerable radiator; only 100 of the Typhoon Ia's (1941) were built with the problematic sabre engine, the Ib's (1942) , the ones AH uses, had the newer, more powerfull and mechanically sound sabre IIa engine), F6F-5 or P47D-30 are not in the Big 4 (Spitfire/Niki/La7/P51D) tier #1 "Dweeb" ride category. In any event, reliability is not modelled in AH, Japanese aircraft, especially late in the war, were notoriously unreliable, modelling reliability is impractical. You are obviously just a disgruntled detractor with nothing else to obsess about.

Claiming I do not genuinely endeavor to fly realistically because of the planes I choose to fly is rediculous. Was a P51D pilot with 5 victories in some way inferior in the eyes of God and country than a P40 pilot with 5 kills? I think not! Just because I choose not to fly the most disadvantaged plane in the set does not mean my attempt at realism is any less zealous, it's simply a matter of personal preference. I fly as realistically as I can within the paradigm of the Aces High gaming environment. I apologize if my methods do not meet with your approval, feel free to kiss my arse ;)

Have a nice day! :cool:

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« Reply #43 on: February 08, 2004, 11:43:36 AM »
And one side of the bar chants: "Less filling!"

The other side responds just as fervently: "Tastes great!"

99 bottles of beer on the wall later ....

"Less great!"

"Tastes filling!"

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« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2004, 12:07:49 PM »
sahweeeeeeeeet! :cool:


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Have a nice day! :cool:

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