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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2004, 09:00:42 AM »
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One last thing, why is it that damn near every pilot from an Air NG unit who is honorably discharged seperates from his duties with the rank of Captian unless disciplinary action is taken that would block his advancement? I am starting to think that while trying to shield GWB from any embarassing info in his military record they have actualy created more problems for him than it was worth.


Mr Lars.....I agree with you that I would remember guys I flew with.  I fly today and Im pretty sure I would remember most if not all of the guys I have flown with.  Would I need some prodding to figure that out....sure....Like Bigmax and I have stated in previous postings people tend to BLEND together.  But in all honest I think I could remember just about everyone I have flown with in my squadrons.

On your quote above I could name 1000's of reasons for this.    In order to make rank and progress you need to have the desire and the ability to get promoted.  Not everyone gets promoted.  Plain and simple fact.  You may not have filled all your "squares" such as professional military education (PME), you are not as "good" as your peers and they get promoted instead, or there is no position that you can move into that requires that rank (in the case of Guard or Reserves).  I dont know who you are talking to but there are TONS of ANG and AFRES pilots out there that have honorable discharges that made it past the rank of Captain.  The SAME can be said for ones that only made it to that rank.  The same can be said about active duty.  I have numerous friends that left the USAF when they were Captains....some to pursue airline jobs, some for family reasons, some for other work....etc.  They all served honorably and got honorable discharges.  Just because someone elects to stop their military service FOR WHATEVER REASON does not make them any less honorable or cause their character to come into question.  They served their commitments and moved on with their lives.

I speak with a background of being in the USAF since 1986...and I am still in.  The quote I put on the top is a bit off base from my frame of reference and my experience in the Air Force.

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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2004, 09:30:28 AM »
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It seems to me that Democrats and the press alike are quick to voice an opinion without asking for any of the facts. In fact, most people do.


And there you see how the liberal media writes all your stories!
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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2004, 09:37:31 AM »
GWB was the son of a Congressman, then U.S. Ambassador to the UN during this time period. I think you will have to agree that there is little that gets the attention of a CO like having the son of a D.C. connected family in the unit.

I'm trying my hardest to give the man the benefit of the doubt, but my gut tells me there are too many holes in too many stories.

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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2004, 10:10:36 AM »
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
This is SO going to backfire on Kerry.  His well-documented anti-American activities after his discharge are going to piss off a hell of a lot more people than the half-baked charges against Dubya.


Why where those activities anti-American, I always thought that they were anti-war, please elaborate...

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« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2004, 12:39:26 PM »
I don't care what any of you say about our President.
He had the resources to go to Canada, Morocco, France, nearly any were to avoid US Military service during the Vietnam. And he didn't. He stood up for America.

He didn't run like a sissy to Canada, like the poor folks did.

He joined the Texas ANG along with all his friends from prep-school and the local exclusive country club, while at the same time pursuing his private career. He balanced defending the nation and creating jobs for minorities at the same time. He created jobs for the coco farmers in Brazil and Columbia, the truckers, pilots, and ship captains who deliver those goods from Columbia to the US, and then local distributors who bring the product to a corner in your neighborhood.

Really this entire service record issue is a liberal gay communist tree hugger farce!

It's time to just move-on.org! :rofl

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« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2004, 12:47:42 PM »
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Too bad his Commanding Officers don't remember him being there. And dang that pesky recordkeeper that lost his complete Service Record somewhere in Colorado.:rolleyes:


They are dead....btw....what's your defense of Kerry and his intern...is this Bush's fault as well?

Just curious

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« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2004, 01:04:09 PM »
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He didn't run like a sissy to Canada, like the poor folks did.

He joined the Texas ANG along with all his friends from prep-school and the local exclusive country club, ....


My oldest brother joined the Cal ANG in 1970.

He went to public school.

My dad was an LA Fireman.

Dad didn't belong to a CC.

Some guard units went to Vietnam, some guardsmen have names etched on the wall.

National Guard is an honorable service.
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« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2004, 03:40:17 PM »
Bush and the guilded diaper....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/US_election_race/Story/0,2763,202917,00.html

In a written statement under oath presented on Monday, Ben Barnes, a former speaker of the Texas state legislature, said that in 1968 he asked the head of the Texan Air National Guard, General James Rose, to give the young Mr Bush a place on a pilot-training programme, automatically excusing him from the draft.

The draft has become a big issue in recent election campaigns. The former Republican vice-president Dan Quayle was accused of seeking refuge in the National Guard, and Bill Clinton was criticised for going to Britain. The issue is particularly dangerous for Mr Bush, as it focuses attention on his privileged past.

In his deposition, Mr Barnes said he had been asked to intervene by a Bush family friend, Sid Adger, but he did not know whether George Bush Sr, then a congressman, knew about the request. The former president said recently that he was "almost positive" that he had never discussed the matter with Adger, who died three years ago, and never asked for help. Rose died in 1993.

In the Austin court case, Lawrence Littwin, a former director of the Texas lottery, is claiming that, under George W Bush's governorship, the contract for operating the lottery was given to a corporation called Gtech, for whom Mr Barnes was a lobbyist, as a favour in return for Mr Barnes' silence on the governor's Vietnam record. Mr Littwin is suing Gtech for orchestrating his dismissal after he proposed that the $150m-a-year (£91m) lottery contract should be open to competitive bids.

His claims have been dismissed as baseless by Gtech, Mr Barnes and Mr Bush, who have pointed out that Mr Barnes left Gtech before Mr Littwin was hired by the state lottery. On Monday Mr Bush also denied that his family had been directly involved in pulling strings to get him in the National Guard.

"I don't know if Ben Barnes did or not, but he was not asked by me or my dad," he said. "I can just tell you, from my perspective, I never asked for, I don't believe I received special treatment."

But records published in the US press show that Mr Bush won a pilot's slot in the National Guard in front of thousands of others, despite scoring only 25% in his aptitude test: the lowest acceptable grade. He was sworn in on the day he applied.

In his statement, Mr Barnes said that one of Mr Bush's advisors, Dan Evans, came to see him last year to discuss the issue. Mr Bush later sent a note saying: "Thank you for your candour and for killing the rumour about you and dad ever discussing my status. Like you, he never remembered any conversation. I appreciate your help."

Mr Barnes initially resisted giving testimony, arguing that his former role as lieutenant governor gave him executive privilege. This argument was rejected by the judge.

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« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2004, 04:14:20 PM »
What's your point? That the son of a serving US Representative from Texas ( a US Congressman) may have been able to get his son a slot in the Texas ANG? That preference might have been shown?

Well... duh!

Now, please go through the entire Congress for 1968 and detail out how the rest of the Congressional fathers shielded their sons from front line duty in VietNam. Because there were very dang few sons of US Senators or US Representatives serving in the jungles of Viet Nam.

I'm sure diligent research would show that most if not all Congressmen that had sons of draft age managed to shield them from front line duty.

But this sort of thing only happened for Bush, right?
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« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2004, 04:15:19 PM »
Brilliant plan, slandering the Guard in order to show that the President dishonored the military.  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2004, 04:23:24 PM »
is this the best ammo the dumbacrats have?

when are they going drag up his drinking?

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« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2004, 04:30:30 PM »
I just heard Teddy Kennedy is drafting an attack based on Bush's drinking right now!
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« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2004, 04:33:42 PM »
Yes and Bob Kerrey will be accusing Dubya of war crimes.