What race are the French?

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by AKIron
To call someone a racist based on their ridicule of a culture is a dishonest (or maybe just feeble) attempt to debase and discredit someone's entire character.

I would say it's perhaps dishonest, but we don't really have a word for someone that ridicule's a culture, at least non that I know of.  That doesn't mean that people don't do it, nor that it's a desirable trait.  I think the connotations of the term "racist" are the closest word we do have that can carry the meaning.

[AKIron]

There is a big difference between someone that despises or holds another in contempt solely because of their race and someone that despises another because of their actions. The first is unjustified and a flaw in the racists character. The second may or may not be justified depending on the situation. To apply the term racist to someone that dislikes a culture based on their actions is dishonest and counter productive towards settling differences.

[Thrawn]

That makes more sense than what I said.

[straffo]

A racist is someone who think with stereotypes and put emphazis on this to support is view.

(this sentence sound definitly better in French ...)

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by straffo
A racist is someone who think with stereotypes and put emphazis on this to support is view.

(this sentence sound definitly better in French ...)

I disagree.

If I say "all criminals are stupid", that would be racist according to your definition.

[straffo]

and if we look at the yahoo article :
This
 

At one point in the show, Triumph the Insult Comic Dog -- a hand puppet that is a regular on the show -- said to a Quebecer: "You're French, you're obnoxious and you no speekay English."

is a racist comment.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Hortlund
I disagree.

If I say "all criminals are stupid", that would be racist according to your definition.

*

right

I've just to work a bit more on my definition

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by AVRO1

If you start the insults you have no right to call anyone on them afterwards.

Well, that sure opens up alot of interesting possiblities you goatshagging meatball  head.

[straffo]

Originally posted by GScholz
Sorry bud, but that is a nationalistic or ethnic comment. The French are not a seperate race.

Not that I disagree (in fact I don't believe there is  "races"  among humans)

But it work according to the definion of racist "A racist is someone who think with stereotypes and put emphazis on this to support is view."



But Hortlund  pointed the flaw in this definition

forgot the quote

[Hortlund]

You have got to be the most über-hysterical drama queen I have ever seen.

"If it walks like a duck" Yeah...I cannot possibly imagine how one would NOT interpret that as an insult ON CANADA...

"You hate us" geez...FFS someone take this guy for a walk along the beach in the moonlight and calm him down.

[Habu]

Hortland imagine what it is like to live in a country with people like this all over.

Lets summerize some of the more brilliant arguments put forth.

The french did enlist because the Van Doos were fighting and they were french so therefore the whole conscription crisis and debate was based on nothing to do with the french.

The french did not enlist for political reasons, not because they were cowards.

The french wanted to enlist but the english army would not let them.

French Canadians are a race, they are not a race, the whole human race is the only race. You are racist but not because they are a race because they are not actually.....

My head is spinning.

You know more about Canada than any of these Canadians. lol. It is just too funny

[AKIron]

Originally posted by straffo
Not that I disagree (in fact I don't believe there is  "races"  among humans)

But it work according to the definion of racist "A racist is someone who think with stereotypes and put emphazis on this to support is view."



But Hortlund  pointed the flaw in this definition

forgot the quote

Sorry, that's not the definition of racist.

rac·ism    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (rszm)
n.

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.


I'm not playing symantics here. Like I said before, if I don't like you because of your race, I'm a racist and wrong minded imo. If I don't like a group of people that share the same goal, maybe to take away my rights, I'm not a racist if I don't like them because of their shared goal or actions.

[straffo]

not that I disagree with your definition (actually it work) it's just that I didn't wanted to use the term "race" in my definition just because I don't believe there such think called  a 'race".

And therefore I canno't use it to define racism.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by straffo
not that I disagree with your definition (actually it work) it's just that I didn't wanted to use the term "race" in my definition just because I don't believe there such think called  a 'race".

And therefore I canno't use it to define racism.

If there is no race then there can be no racist.

[straffo]

No, they exist.

Just because I don't agree with the basis of their doctrine won't make them disapear.