Civil War

[Holden McGroin]

Maslo, I just reported numbers.  

Thank you for lifting the level of rhetoric by dismissing data with which you do not agree and issuing an unwarranted personal attack.

I did not make up the data.  

The US government did not generate the data; some of the data (at least from  IraqBodyCount.com) are quoted from sources openly opposed to military action in Iraq.  The numbers add up as I wrote, I cannot make the mathematics behave in a different manner.

If you can refute the data I cite, please do so.  I would like to know whether my web search was adequate.

[maslo]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin

According to these numbers, the deaths due to foreign influences in Iraq since the invasion has dropped from a pre invasion average of 136,000 to 17,103.

In the nearly one year since the invasion the death count has dropped by a factor of 8; a difference of 119,000 lives.

*not IBC, estimate of Iraq military deaths from CBC news

ah
if this arent your owen words, then im sorry to call you like that.
Anyway master of theory whitch produced sutch theory is total madman

[Holden McGroin]

Oh yes... being called a total madman is much more acceptable than being referred to as a lobotomized donkey..

I was just pointing out that according to the sources I cite the death rate in Iraq appears to have dropped precipitously.

I have yet to find anything to refute this.

If true, I would look on the lack of 119,000 deaths this last year as a good thing.

[lasersailor184]

Anyone know what the Political situation in Haiti is?


All i've been seeing in the news is that there is strife.

[miko2d]

Toad: As for what makes me laugh, it's YOU thinking that Czechs alone were responsible for the withdrawal of the Soviet forces from a Warsaw pact country.

 You may remember a long struggle called the Cold War. At the end of it, the Soviets retreated from countries they had occupied. Places like Poland, East Germany...... Czechoslovakia...... well, you get the idea. It was a long expensive struggle, costing many lives and much treasure, that ended Soviet domination in Eastern Europe.

 Funny how a totally false and obvious lie becomes a dogma of the western history.
 The Cold Was was not a war. It was a stand-off. There was no "struggle". The Soviet Union was nowhere near economic collapse.
 The political leadership of the country has changed. They allowed the restraints to loosen and did not stop the distuptive and liberating tendencies. Was it great? Sure. Was it necessary? Not really. If Andropov did not die or someone else inherited the throne but Gorbachev, there could have been another 20 years of communism or 100.

 Russia experienced a serious economic disruption after the breakup of the Soviet Union, made worse by injudicial monetary policies advised by westerners. Even at it's lowest point it was not dead or defeated. A tenths of a military effort it expended in Chechnya would have been enough to keep dominance of the Eastern Europe.
 The westerners may not realise it but the chechens are probably the worst people on the planet to mess with.

 Captive Eastern Eurpoeans got their lucky break and used it. Of course US stands ready to claim credit for that. What's new...

 miko

[AKIron]

The grapes are really sour around here. Makes a fine whine tho.

[lasersailor184]

You guys are making the Soviet collapse really more difficult then it was.



They paid a lot of money for military.  They ran out.

SIMPLE!

[Toad]

No struggle, eh? Tell that to all those that died in the various wars.

It may have ended up being more monetary than military but struggle there was.

Without the opposition and the military spending it engendered, what pressures would have caused Gorbachev to get the nod?

It's not really germane anyway. Point is there's nothing the Czech's did that caused the boot to be lifted off their necks. If the Soviets hadn't wanted/needed to go, no Czech demonstration in the city square would have forced them out.

[gofaster]

Iraqi civil war will be inevitable.  There is still a strong political divide.  Unless one side can dominate the other completely, there will be strife, and strife will lead to aggression, and aggression will lead to civil war.

Just ask the Lebanese and Somalians.

[maslo]

well gofaster.
if you will look at map, you will find one big country right next to iraq
many races and many religion groups live there

right now they have solid crissis of local politacl scene, many people left goverment
there is proper fight for power

but IMAO people there doesnt have mortality of iraqi
and there live aprox. 3x more people that live in iraq


btw it probably the only one country, where kurdish can speak kurdish, walk everywhere and they are respectfull members of that country.

true is that this country is the only one country, where kurds  live w/o problems whitch you can see in Turkey or other countries, where US got involved.

why should people live in one country w/o problem and in other country right next to them, they should have civil war ?

2 reasons whitch came on my mind.
1. the cuontry where is supposed to be civil war is ruled by non-competent persons, w/o knowledge or respect for locals

2. damm it .. i forgot it

[AVRO1]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Anyone know what the Political situation in Haiti is?

Haiti is in turmoil.

Some people have taken arms and have taken control of a few major cities.

They are threatening to invade Port-aux-Prince if the president does not get out of there really soon.

[slimm50]

Originally posted by Yeager
what is it about texans and morons?

We can't stand 'em, is what it is.