Another Poll

[Fluf]

I have elevator trim mapped to 2 jstick buttons and use it to trim push and pull out of stick for comfortable flying and more accurate shooting.  If I used it in turns then I think it would screw up my gunnery.

I find that I can't stand air combat games with automatic trim (like EAW) anymore.

[eskimo]

I trim

[SOB]

I've got all the trim programmed to my joystick, but never use anything but autotrim...not sure if it's 'cause i've got a good stick or 'cause I'm too stupid to figure out trimming back and forth all of the time.  


SOB

[vadr]

 

I don't think too many people DO know, except maybe the old WB's guys

  tthhhpppfffttt!

If you aren't using trim to fly the 109, you really aren't flying the 109.  

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[coyote]

hehe.......... trim mapped to my joystick..... well my rudder trim im mapped to my joystick , but my elevator and airleron trim is mapped to my THROTTLE! seriously  hblair, I cannot believe  you fly around and trim with the keyboard?? might as well fly with the KB... trimming the elevator does not make your turn better... full elevator deflection is the same with or without trim. now you might not have to pull the stick back as far to get that full deflection.........

[LLv34_Snefens]

I don't have the trim mapped at my joystick due to lack of buttons and only one hat. Only trim I got on it is the Auto-Angle.
It happens I trim it manually by the keys, as Auto-x takes too long to center in hot moments. This is mostly when following a bandit that's diving without too much manouvering.
Once fighting gets really close I have not much time for doing this.
I once trimmed my 109 back real good to make a very sharp turn from a spit on my tail, and ended up breaking my wings. Haven't used it much for that since.

Btw, when in loops I hardly ever use full stick deflection as it bleeds too much IMO. The need for using the trim isn't really there then.

Snefens

[This message has been edited by LLv34_Snefens (edited 08-23-2000).]

[Creamo]

Sadly, it works. my G10 can loop over at least 20% faster (guess), its very noticeable.

Ummmm.... I gotta hear the aerodynamic reasoning on this one...

[This message has been edited by Creamo (edited 08-23-2000).]

[hblair]

 

Originally posted by coyote:
seriously  hblair, I cannot believe  you fly around and trim with the keyboard?? might as well fly with the KB

Got it mapped to my stick now.

 

Originally posted by coyote:
... trimming the elevator does not make your turn better...

Yep, it does, if you're showing signs of compression, trimming elev up while having elev at full deflection will actually sharpen your turn, try it and see.


 

Originally posted by coyote:
full elevator deflection is the same with or without trim.

I would think this would be true in real life, but it isn't in the game, that is why it was kinda controversial in WB's a while back.

[SOB]

Didn't someone post something about pilots actually using trim to pull out of a dive in real life...since the controls were to stiff to pull out of a dive, they relied on trim to move the control surfaces?  If so maybe AH just simulates the joystick not moving the control surfaces when compressed.  Or maybe someone just slipped some crack into my Dr. Pepper again?


SOB

[Creamo]

SOB... ya might have a point there, but that don't explain the loop radius change cuz yer not compressing there.

[Vulcan]

yup had all trim controllers mapped from 1st week of AH.

[-ammo-]

well, I used it in dogfights regularly in WB"S, it gave you an edge. I have it mapoped to my CH throttle here too, but have only used it in dives or when running flat out (usually with someone on my 6. I Like the idea for having to trim your AC out for different speeds as it is accurate. But I dont try to use it ijn a stall fight over here, just havent really thought I needed it. In early days in AH I tried to manipulate it but it really seemed more to hurt than anything. Depends on THe AC and how well you use it in AH.

ammo

[hblair]

yep, my stick is calibrated funked, what I'm talking about works very well with 109g10's at high speed. I don't know if using it on the spit would even be practical. The spit 9 has light elevators (from what I remember) at all speeds.

This may be spot on, just because you got your stick all the way back doesn't mean your elevators are fully deflected, maybe the trim tabs help give the elevators extra bite. But would this be possible in real life? Ya wouldn't think so.

I wouldn't think the air traveling underneath the rear horizontal stabilizer would be able to make the turn upwards after reaching the elevator area (the elevator is partially deflected already) and hit the trim tabs with enough force to push the elevator further upwards, overpowering the air traveling over the top of the horizontal stabilizer and hitting the deflected elevator. The top side of the elevator has a lot more surface area than the trim tab does.

Isn't this the way the 109 was trimmed, with trim tabs?

Some of you airplane guys explain this one to me. Wheres Andy Bush?  

[Exile]

Alright ... what the hell is this "trim" everyone keeps talking about??

[SOB]

It's TRIMmer, dummy!  He's become quite popular!