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[easymo]

 Why does it have cannon. I don't pour over the books, like some of you. But my understanding was that most of them just had .303 cal.

[Nath-BDP]

cuz its allied most lancs also had 4 .303 in tail not .50 cal but since its british it gets special attention (no MG 131 for JU88 tho).

[fd ski]

you're wrong easymo.

most of V's were armed with HS's... as much as LW doesn't like to hear it...

Hell, there was 4 x 20mm version  


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Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
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[Kieren]

Nath-

You really ought to research your answers better than that.

The largest number of Spits made were the V, and it had 3 wings; A, B, and C. The A had the .303's, the B Hispanos, and the C (or universal wing) could accept both. Not surprisingly the C was the most popular wing.

To have modeled only the .303 wing would have been a slap in the face to the Spit fans. As an option it might be fine, but not as the only choice.

 

cuz its allied most lancs also had 4 .303 in tail not .50 cal but since its british it gets special attention (no MG 131 for JU88 tho).

Nonsense.

[Kieren]

Ack! Ski beat me by mere seconds...  

[AKSeaWulfe]

Spitfire MkI and MkII had just .303s in the wings. SOme were fitted with 20mms, but they were removed due to constant jamming.

From the Great BOok of WWII Airplanes:
" Most of the [Spitfire V] in this series were fitted with the B(four Brownings[.303], two cannon[20mms]) wing, but about 20 per cent of the output comprised eight-gun VA[wings] and another tenth were delivered as four-cannon VC[wing]s with additional armour and bomb pylons."

I think we should have a quad hispano SPitfire MkV now!!
-SW

[Andy Bush]

easymo

I have consulted my 'Don't believe it - It ain't right - Where did you get that from' book, and it says that the V model was the most numerous mark produced and came in three versions, the VA, VB, and VC.

The VA had eight .303 mg. VB had two 20mm Hispano cannon and four .303 mg. The VC had a redesigned wing called the 'universal C' wing that basically allowed the user to configure to VA or VB weapon type as a matter of choice.

This not-to-be-trusted reference source also noted that the Spitfire II was the first mark to have some aircraft fitted with cannon (two 20mm), but it was found that the cannon were unreliable in service. These were known as Spitfire IIB's.

Now...while I am content to go with this info, please be advised that someone else may have a different source!

 

Andy

[Replicant]

 

Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
cuz its allied most lancs also had 4 .303 in tail not .50 cal but since its british it gets special attention (no MG 131 for JU88 tho).

No special attention, just a fighting chance and even then it's slim.  How many of you rub your hands when you see a Lancaster?  Almost all yeah?  So saying it gets special attention because it's British is somewhat childish.  No doubt we will see a Ju88 with all the guns you desire.

As for the rear .50s gun turret in Lancaster's, there was 180 made with most being distrubuted between No 3 Group and eventually No 1 Group. This didn't start until later 1944 and the Lancaster we have in AH is a Lancaster III late war model whose squadron (170 Sqn) gained the newer type Lancaster's when it swapped from Mustang's to Lancaster's in October 1944.  This was the same time as the new rear turret.

.50s top turret were also used in some late Lancaster's, as was a 4x.303 top turret, and a couple that experimented with 20mm.  Most Group's also removed the belly .303 turret but some were still used by the end of the war.

Anyway, there were many Spitfire V with the Hispano's, most were used in Britain/Europe and then the majority went on to serve in Africa/Med areas.

Regards

'Nexx'

[iculus]

Yes... Lancasters did indeed have twin .50's in the tail.  Although some tailgunners liked the .303's with many tracers, as the high rate of fire would intimidate attackers at night.  You're not going to intimidate many around here even if there were 20mm in the tail.

IC

[Frosty1]

 

Hell, there was 4 x 20mm version

GIMME!  

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[NUTTZ]

I "heard" but have nowhere to back it up, that the N1k2 had more than 600 rounds. Can anyone enlighten me to the CORRECT ammo load?
 This isn't a whine, but i like the Niki and KI series but can find very little to no Pics or tech info on these planes.

NUTTZ

[Karnak]

NUTTZ,

Read this thread:

The armament of N1K2.

Sisu
-Karnak

[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 11-10-2000).]

[easymo]

 HEY" I want my 900 rounds. I cant shoot for Sh*&. I need all the ammo I can get.

[NUTTZ]

Thanx, for the link,,,, very interesting read.

NUTTZ

[juzz]

Mk IB's were delivered to 19 Sqn in July 1940. The cannon were found to be so unreliable that these aircraft were eventually replaced by older ones from an OTU during the BoB.

By November 1940 the cannon were "fixed" and working properly, and IB's were re-issued to Fighter Command Squadrons.

The last 170 Spitfire Mk II's were Mk IIB with cannon.

Many Mk V's were converted from existing Mk I and II airframes, alot of these retained the 8x.303 armament("A wing") to become Mk VA's. Some VA's were built from new as well.

VB had 2x20mm and 4x.303 armament("B wing"), and the cannon were drum-fed with 60rpg.

VC introduced the so-called "universal wing". It was designed to be able to be fitted out with either "A wing", "B wing" or the new "C wing" armament(4x20mm). New belt-fed cannon meant they now had 120rpg instead of 60rpg.

Apparently there were 94 VA, 3,923 VB and 2,447 VC built.

There is a small issue with the AH Spitfire Mk V: It is a Mk VC since it has 120rpg for the 20mm, but graphically it has a Mk VB wing. The closed-off stubs for the uninstalled outer 20mm cannon are missing.

[This message has been edited by juzz (edited 11-10-2000).]