Bush is anti-abortion when?

[Kieran]

Originally posted by culero
Think of it like this - what's important is that you sincerely repent. Do so and God forgives you, because if your repentance is sincere the main goal has been accomplished.

Note that this applies to you only in respect to God and others who share your belief. Its not an excuse from the consequences for your acts in the secular world. Its not a release from responsibilty.

culero

"Responsibility"? Abortion is legal. What "responsibility" are we talking about? You mean the responsibility for having arranged one before but repenting it now? Look, I agree with the repentance business; you have that exactly right. However... there is no real responsibility to this even if it proves to be true. The only thing really at stake is credibility, and in that regard it's a non-issue.

[culero]

Originally posted by Kieran
"Responsibility"? Abortion is legal. What "responsibility" are we talking about? You mean the responsibility for having arranged one before but repenting it now? Look, I agree with the repentance business; you have that exactly right. However... there is no real responsibility to this even if it proves to be true. The only thing really at stake is credibility, and in that regard it's a non-issue.

I don't really understand what point you're trying to make, but in reply to your example no I wouldn't say repenting having arranged an abortion relieves you of any responsibility you might have associated with that act. It merely means you've decided it was wrong to have done so, that you've resolved you won't again, and will make amends if possible.

culero

[straffo]

Originally posted by culero
Think of it like this - what's important is that you sincerely repent. Do so and God forgives you, because if your repentance is sincere the main goal has been accomplished.

Note that this applies to you only in respect to God and others who share your belief. Its not an excuse from the consequences for your acts in the secular world. Its not a release from responsibilty.

culero

sure ,I've trouble only to admit the sincerity of the repentance.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by straffo
I'm a "faithful" atheist (if it make sense in english) I don't believe in god but I do believe in Greco-Judeo-Christian values.

Translates quite well, both in words and meaning.

[Kieran]

I guess you need to define what you mean by "responsibility". You are using the word as if you mean "crime".

[AKIron]

Originally posted by straffo
sure ,I've trouble only to admit the sincerity of the repentance.

I may be misunderstand you here Straffo. Are you saying that you doubt repentance is sincere? Whose repentance are you doubting? Bush's, your own or anyone else's?

[straffo]

Iron I was speaking more in general term so far I canno't and won't judge the sincerity of anyone else than me.


Perhaps because I don't have a good knowledge of how the sacrements work .I've doubt for the extreme unction for exemple.

So far (but I can be extremly wrong) my perception is this a bit to easy as it's a human who choose to save the sin of the another or not.

I've often meet people who behaved as good christian only in the church wich is not how I expect I good christian to live.

This said I place moral above rituals and sometime I'm shocked by the act of some people pretenting being good christian .
It just don't feel right for me.

[Kieran]

Straffo-

A "good Christian" realizes he is no better than anyone else WRT committing sin, but does reflect on his actions, recognizes the fault, and asks God for forgiveness. The sinner then must turn away from those actions.

What you are alluding to is the concept of a person going out and committing whatever acts he wishes, then getting the cure-all forgiveness, only to go out the very next day and do the same thing again. You're right, that is not true repentance.

In the case of Bush, assuming the story is true, the repentance is real IF Bush felt the guilt, asked God's forgiveness, then turned away from committing the same act again. So... unless someone can drudge up the string of abortions arranged after that fact, the repentance would appear to be real.

[SOB]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Jennifer O'Neill had an abortion in her twenties and now is an avid opponant of abortion....



Of all the nerve... to regret what you may have done in your youth... why that b***h.

More like "Of all the nerve... to want to deny others the same choice that she was afforded... why that b***h."

[AKIron]

And she would selfishly deny others the right to a choice she had why? Maybe she receives a huge salary from the right to lifers? Maybe she suffers from life long guilt that won't be assuaged and seeks to spare others this "choice"? I'd lean more to the latter.

[SOB]

by AKIron:
And she would selfishly deny others the right to a choice she had why? Maybe she receives a huge salary from the right to lifers? Maybe she suffers from life long guilt that won't be assuaged and seeks to spare others this "choice"? I'd lean more to the latter.

Yeah, it very well could be the latter.  Of course, it's still none of her business what others choose to do, since THEY have to live with their choice - good or bad.  And she certainly isn't in a position to tell people she doesn't even know what's best for them.

[Wanker]

Newsflash, fellas. This election isn't going to be determined by anyone's stance on abortion. Too many other important issues to worry about.

[lord dolf vader]

let bush go anything but anti abortion and get elected.


and honestly same for kerry but opposite.


polarization of the partys its a deciding issue for alot of people on both sides.

[FUNKED1]

I doubt a lot of people make voting choices on this issue.  The courts uphold legal abortion, and there's only so much the president can do to change that.  Regardless of who is elected, abortion will still be legal in 2008.

[SOB]

You're probably right, Funkynuts, but I won't vote for a guy who would sign off on a law banning abortion.