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Offline Saurdaukar

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« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2004, 11:42:39 AM »
Blew up?  His crusade was fueled by the total inability of Americans to drive rear engined cars.
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Offline AKIron

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« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2004, 12:08:19 PM »
Go Ralph!
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« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2004, 12:19:58 PM »
RUN RALPH RUN!
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« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2004, 02:22:39 PM »
Nader contended that because of an unsafe design, the Corvair was prone to go out of control and tip over under certain driving conditions.  

It was the Pinto that was accused of blowing up indiscriminately.

The case against the Pinto wasn't Nader, it was trial lawyers.
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« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2004, 02:30:54 PM »
one of the corvair test drivers said that the corvair was prone to understeer untill pushed really hard past it's limits where it snapped into allmost uncontrollable oversteer... just like a porche... nader left out the porche part.    the volkswagen was and is the car prone to rollover..

read a book froggie.

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« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2004, 04:00:17 PM »
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read a book froggie.

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You would love this book froggie. It's Kerry telling how American Service men kill babies and shoot little puppy dogs.


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« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2004, 06:34:00 PM »
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He called out GM on makeing a car that blew up in a minor accident. Go read a book.



And exactly what GM car do you speak of? Please tell me, I'd love to know.
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« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2004, 10:32:31 PM »
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nader has allways been dishonest.   He got famous for attacking the Corvair.... a car GM was not doing to well with...  Nader wrote "unsafe at any speed"   He had never driven the corvair or any other car as he didn't and doesn't know how to drive...



It doesn't take an Andretti to realize that it is unsafe to drive with a big metal pole in front of you.
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« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2004, 08:46:24 PM »
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And exactly what GM car do you speak of? Please tell me, I'd love to know.


PUNT, because I want you to answer the question. Well?
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Offline Frogm4n

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« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2004, 09:01:49 PM »
why the corvair of course.
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« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2004, 09:02:37 PM »
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You would love this book froggie. It's Kerry telling how American Service men kill babies and shoot little puppy dogs.




And has it been proven wrong?
A minority of troops did some terrible things over there. Why deny it.
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« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2004, 09:10:47 PM »
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why the corvair of course.


Now I know why I have so little use for your opinions. Before you tell someone to READ a book, YOU go read "Unsafe At Any Speed" by Ralph Nader. Here's a real brief clue for you: Nader's issue with the Corvair had NOTHING to do with fire. It was Nader's position that the Corvair could be induced to roll over if the car skidded sideways. I happen to OWN a Corvair, and no, it won't roll over easily, in fact, despite slinging it around like it was a Daytone Prototype, I haven't been able to even get close. And Nader is an idiot. Next time you read that drivel and get your facts straight. If it isn't too much to ask.
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« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2004, 09:17:32 PM »
Yea your right, i was wrong. must have been thinking about the pinto or something.

What year is your corvair, nader went after the 1960 model. The ones from what, 62 and up, were fine from what ive read. Nader is a bit screwy, and i think there could have been a better figure head of the consumer saftey movement.
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« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2004, 09:29:52 PM »
Frog,

I dont think his crusade was even aimed at a specific year.

The problem with rear engined cars, as Lazs pointed out, is that you cannot brake while turning or you will snap oversteer and it takes alot of seat time to avoid - or use - understeer under throttle while turning.

With all the weight in the back of the car (911, Corvair, Bug) the rear end will swing like a pendulum when traction is broken.

For an amature driver, its a serious issue.  For a professional pilot, it allows him to do things not possible with a front engined car on a race track.

Nader needed publicity - the Corvair was an awesome ride and still has a very strong cult following today.
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« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2004, 09:32:28 PM »
I think the spare in the front of the bug wieghs more then the engine.
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