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Offline GRUNHERZ

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Bomber question.
« on: February 21, 2004, 12:34:54 AM »
What was the 2nd most pruduced bomber of ww2?
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Offline Rafe35

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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2004, 12:47:51 AM »
1. Cosolidated B-24 Liberator - 18,188
2. North American B-25 Metchell - 11,000
3. Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress - 8,685
4. Douglas A-20 Havoc - 7,385
5. Curtiss SB2 Helldriver - 7,002
6. Douglas SBD Dauntless - 5,936
7. Martin B-26 Marauder - 5,157
8. Boeing B-29 Super Fortress - 3,970
9. Douglas A-26 Invader - 2,446
10. Vultee A-35 Vengeance - 1,528
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Offline VO101_Isegrim

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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2004, 07:20:21 AM »
Looking on the above list, Ju-88 with 15000 (altough this would include NF/HF versions as well...) ?
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Offline Dr Zhivago

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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2004, 09:25:56 AM »
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Looking on the above list, Ju-88 with 15000 (altough this would include NF/HF versions as well...) ?


Total production was 15.018 planes and this include 3964 fighter variants... ;)

http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/germany/junkers/ju_88/Ju_88_nf.htm
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Offline joeblogs

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what do you call the IL2?
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2004, 11:15:28 AM »
If you call this a bomber, check the numbers. It was produced in huge quantities.

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Offline Pongo

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Re: what do you call the IL2?
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2004, 01:10:27 PM »
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If you call this a bomber, check the numbers. It was produced in huge quantities.

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Il2 is as much of a bomber as some of those are.

There wernt 1500 lancs or Halifaxes or mossies made? really?
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Offline Karnak

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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2004, 01:35:42 PM »
Rafe's data is screwy.

It ignores non-US bombers completely and gets some US bombers wrong.  There were over 12,000 B-17s built, more than 8,000 of which were B-17Gs.

~7,700 Lancs and ~11,000 Wellingtons, IIRC.
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Offline VO101_Isegrim

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Re: Re: what do you call the IL2?
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2004, 01:39:26 PM »
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Il2 is as much of a bomber as some of those are.

There wernt 1500 lancs or Halifaxes or mossies made? really?


IMHO Il-2 is not... single engine.. unfair to put it in same category as the huge B-29.

Halifax/Mossie production was both roughly around 6500. And Karnak is right, the B-17 number was suspicous to me, too, he was just less lazy look it up for sure.

Dr Zhivago, thats some very nice site, beutiful Ju pics, thx, I saved the URL.
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Offline Halo

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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2004, 01:52:20 PM »
Ready for some surprises?  According to the Illustrated Encyclopedia of Military Aircraft, Plate 114, Bomber Production in the Second World War, the top 10 are:

B-24                      18,188
Ju.88                     14,980
Vickers Wellington 11,461
B-25                      11,000
B-17                        8,685
Heinkel He 111        7,450
A-20                         7,385
Lancaster                 7,366
Curtis Helldiver         7,002
Tupulov SB-2             6,600


However, the plate is obviously incomplete, omitting such bombers as the Il-2, Pe-2, Tu-2, and many others.  

Other sources say the Il-2 was the most produced aircraft in WWII with more than 35,000, although it isn't clear how many of those were produced after WWII and how many were IL-10s.  

Whatever, consensus seems to be Il-2 was the most produced bomber in WWII by a considerable margin.

In the above plate, biggest surprise to me is the Helldiver with 7,002.  Some sources denigrate the Helldiver, others claim it was important and effective.
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Offline joeblogs

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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2004, 02:11:58 PM »
I believe the fighter plane built in the largest quantity during the war was also the Curtiss P40. In the case of this plane and the SB2C, quantity could not make up for quality... This from a company known for advanved designs into the late 1930s...

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Ready for some surprises?  According to the Illustrated Encyclopedia of Military Aircraft, Plate 114, Bomber Production in the Second World War, the top 10 are:

B-24                      18,188
Ju.88                     14,980
Vickers Wellington 11,461
B-25                      11,000
B-17                        8,685
Heinkel He 111        7,450
A-20                         7,385
Lancaster                 7,366
Curtis Helldiver         7,002
Tupulov SB-2             6,600


However, the plate is obviously incomplete, omitting such bombers as the Il-2, Pe-2, Tu-2, and many others.  

Other sources say the Il-2 was the most produced aircraft in WWII with more than 35,000, although it isn't clear how many of those were produced after WWII and how many were IL-10s.  

Whatever, consensus seems to be Il-2 was the most produced bomber in WWII by a considerable margin.

In the above plate, biggest surprise to me is the Helldiver with 7,002.  Some sources denigrate the Helldiver, others claim it was important and effective.
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Offline Karnak

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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2004, 11:44:32 PM »
Halo,

That plate gets the B-17 numbers wrong.  I wonder what else it gets wrong?

joeblogs,

I'd be very surprised if the P-40 was the most produced fighter.

Bf109: ~35,000
Yak: ~35,000
Spitfire: ~22,000
Fw190: ~20,000

As I understand it, the P-47 was the most produced US fighter.
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2004, 12:31:13 AM »
Yeah, Karnak, the Illustrated Encyclopedia of Military Aircraft is generally very impressive, but some of the plates seem comparatively lame in obvious omissions or different totals than some other sources.

I don't think I've ever found a WWII aircraft book that I totally trusted.  Then again, I don't think I've ever found any book that I've totally trusted.  

For example, although its WWII Fighter Production Plate 113 tracks with some other stats, it shows three (yes, only three) more P-51s produced than P-47s, and I've never seen any other source identifying anything other than the P-47 as the most produced U.S. fighter of WWII.

Here are its top 10, the other biggest surprises being so many Yak-1s (? -- must have combined with Yak-3s and higher) and I-16s, plus lots of La-5s but no La-7s:

Bf.109         35,000
Yak-1           30,000
Spitfire         20,351
Fw.190         20,001
I-16              20,000   (meaning actually ONE more Fw than I-16?)
P-51              15,686   (never saw P-51 as more than P-47)
P-47              15,683
La-5               15,000   (incl. La-7 which isn't listed separately?)
Hurricane       14,233
P-40               13,733

It is to wonder ...

However, gotta emphasize all in all I admire and am grateful to any and all authors gutsy enough to attempt compiling so much information into one generally authoritive and entertaining book.  Still highly recommend it for everyone's WWII aircraft library.
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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2004, 03:55:54 AM »
Some production figures of Russian aircrafts:

I-153: 3,437
I-16: 8,644
Yak-1: 8,721
Yak-3: 4,848
Yak-7: 6,399
Yak-9: 16,769
LaGG-3: 6,527
La5: 9,920
La7: 5,753
Pe-2: 11,427
SB-2: 6,656
Tu-2: 2,527 (~1,400 post-war)
Il-2: 36,136
Il-10: 4,966 (including post-war)
U-2/Po-2: >33,000 !!!
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