Snapshot 8-27-00 Memphis Belle

[Lance]

I am no Nazi sympathizer, but I think history does point to many Germans -- perhaps moreso the German high command than common soldier or civilian -- that thought Hitler was leading the country to ruin well before 1943/45.

If you believe Churchill's writings in "The Gathering Storm", the German military command was at odds with Hitler during his most triumphant conquests.  They knew that their army could not attack Austria, Chechlozvakia, and Poland at the times that they did and keep the western allies at bay if they decided to march against Germany.  Hitler, however, judged correctly that France and England were blinded by thoughts of peace and would not war with him.  Even when war was finally declared after the invasion of Poland, the allies did nothing but wait for Germany to turn its military spear-point upon them (actions in Norway notwithstanding).

Churchill writes of many plots by the German military command to arrest Hitler during this time.  None of these were carried out for various reasons, the foremost being the vindication of Hitler's brazen agressions by the Allies lack of a response at every turn.  By the time things became difficult for Germany, they had conquered most of Europe and Hitler's prestige made him nearly inassailable.

Gordo

[Cobra]

RAM,
My reply wasn't a "they did it first" type of thing.  


It was to show the inconsistencies in the arguement that the Luftwaffe pilots were only defending their families.

If you had said they were following orders, then I can go along with that.  But that wasn't the arguement that was put forward. And, of course, it does not alter the fact of who the aggressor was as well.  I'm not defending or championing any one side here.  At all points in history, most national and ehtnic groups have been an aggressor.

Cobra

[Wanker]

RAM said  

So here YOU MUST give the proofs to accuse German LW pilots of Nazis. We dont need to give ANYTHING to proof their innocence.

I never said that most lw pilots were Nazis. The truth is, some were, and some were not. Nath was the one that made the blanket statement that most LW were not Nazi's. So, why do I have to prove something that I never said?

RAM, you are a passionate guy, but you have the ability to use logic in your arguments. I salute you for that.   We don't always agree, but at least we can keep the discussion civil.

[Fury]

Anyways, Udie I had fun in the event.  If anyone cares to read about what this thread was meant for, check the Special Events board.

Fury

[Nath-BDP]

 

I never said that most lw pilots were Nazis. The truth is, some were, and some were not. Nath was the one that made the blanket statement that most LW were not Nazi's. So, why do I have to prove something that I never said?

lol, lets define "Nazi", "Member of the National Socialist Party that, under the leadership of Adolf Hitler, controlled Germany from 1935 to 1945." "or relating to this party or its doctrines and principles."

Nazis = Hitler, Speer, Goring, Rudel, Milch, Himmler...

MOST LW pilots were not Nazis.

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[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 08-28-2000).]

[Wanker]

Nath, let's take this argument into my WARNING! thread. I'd like to hear what you have to say in there. Oh, btw, the Nazi party was in power from 1933-45, not 35-45.

My apologies to Udie for Hijacking his thread.

[AKDejaVu]

So Nath.. you nazi .. how'd you do in the scenario?

AKDejaVu