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Offline Captain Virgil Hilts

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« Reply #45 on: March 02, 2004, 06:38:20 PM »
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cvh... I also have a dan wesson... it is not as heavy duty as my redhawk.  

I don't know what your load is but if you can get a 250 grain keith to go much more than 1200 fps out of a 4" barrel then you are pretty much overloaded...  no real need anyway.    Learned a long time ago that those loads are mostly just gun wreckers and don't do anything that 100 fps less won't do.

A couple of the Weatherby 100 grain loads get close to 4,000 fps.  but really.. you need less than 100 grains to realisticly get in  the 4,000 range...

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I would agree that a Super Redhawk is heavier than a Dan Wesson. However, after years of heavy use, my Dan Wesson is as tight as it was new. I cannot say the same for some of the Smith and Wesson 44 magnums I've owned.

I'm not using a 4" barrel, I'm using a 6" barrel. While I've not tested for pressure, I have zero over pressure signs.
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« Reply #46 on: March 03, 2004, 04:36:34 AM »
this is the only pisol i know of designed to penetrate body armor and it not for sale in the U.S. to citizens only police and military.
http://www.fnherstal.com/html/Index.htm
after clicking link go to small arms, then handguns, then five seven. link dont take you directly to it.
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« Reply #47 on: March 03, 2004, 08:33:27 AM »
CVH... I had no idea what length barrel you were using but yu apparently knew mine was a 4" or you wouldn't have told me that my loads were not hot enough.  

I am just saying that 1200 fps with a 250 grain Keith is plenty hot from a 4" barrel.   A factory 240 remington or win will only chrono about 1180-1220 from that barrel on my chrony.   My Dan wesson has both a 4" and an 8 inch.

My rugers have chamber throats of .431 and the DW runs .429-.430  I size the Keiths to .431 and both guns like em.

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« Reply #48 on: March 03, 2004, 08:50:29 AM »
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CVH... I had no idea what length barrel you were using but yu apparently knew mine was a 4" or you wouldn't have told me that my loads were not hot enough.  

I am just saying that 1200 fps with a 250 grain Keith is plenty hot from a 4" barrel.   A factory 240 remington or win will only chrono about 1180-1220 from that barrel on my chrony.   My Dan wesson has both a 4" and an 8 inch.

My rugers have chamber throats of .431 and the DW runs .429-.430  I size the Keiths to .431 and both guns like em.

lazs


I was just clowning. I know the loads I shoot are up there. I tend to push a magnum, because I buy a magnum to wring it out.

I don't really even remember thinking about you shooting a 4" barrel. More powder would just give you more muzzle blast and flash, with no real gain. Slow burning powders like I use need barrel length, and 4" ain't enough.

I think the old factory loads that were 240-250 grain bullets at 1500 FPS were very hot, and rated in a 6.5" barrel.

Current factory loads are pretty soft. I use them as carry loads. The other handloaded stuff is strictly for bowling pin matches, silhouette matches, and hunting. The 180 will clear a table full of bowling pins real fast.


I like to handgun hunt for bear, deer, and wild boar. The 300 grain loads are for bear and boar. You've got to have penetration and bone smashing power. A boar likes to die on his feet and will be 1/2 hour late for his own funeral. The 180 loads are outstanding on deer. Bear hunting pretty much speaks for itself. You can use the 180 load on bear and boar, but you have to be real careful. And you can't be real close to the bear either. The 180 load will make spectacular exit wounds, but you can't shoot a shoulder going in, the penetration ain't there. If you break a rib on the way in and/or out, it is over real fast.

I'm going to get 8" and 10" match barrels for the Dan Wesson, with Taylor forcing cones. I've worn out the springs, and need a new set of Wolf springs. Jeez I hate the thought of changing them though.
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« Reply #49 on: March 03, 2004, 08:59:33 AM »
those old factory loads you are talking about are from a 10" non vented test barrel.   They would probly chrono not much more than 1200 from my 4 inch or 1300 from your 6".

a good rule of thumb for slow powders is about 40-50 fps gain for every extra inch of barrel length.   shooting my loads out of your DW you would not be able to tell much difference from yours.... at either end.   I use a slower powder (AA#5) and don't see much difference than with the faster powders like 296.   My DW actualy likes the AA powder better.

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« Reply #50 on: March 03, 2004, 12:27:35 PM »
http://www.magnumresearch.com/BFR.asp <~~~i bet this pistol would put some hurt on body armor,,its a 45/70 with 10inch barrel,,lol



The all-stainless steel BFR is built to close tolerances to handle the pressure of true big-bore calibers - .45/70, .480 Ruger/.475 Linebaugh, .450 Marlin, .500 S&W, .50AE, .444 Marlin