Author Topic: Oscars (Read 1820 times)

Sandman · « **Reply #30 on:** March 01, 2004, 10:15:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Who is to say it wouldnt have been bigger if they kept their mouth shut? You forget the backlash? The 'CD stomping parties?'

You'll have to do much better than that. It was bigger than it has ever been.

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Dixie Chicks score record sales

The Grammy award-winning trio sold out all 867,000 tickets in a day, surpassing the popularity of tours of stars such as Madonna and Sir Paul McCartney.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2828895.stm

Keep it up though... sooner or later the world absolutely must conform to your perception of reality.

Sandman · « **Reply #31 on:** March 01, 2004, 10:18:01 PM »

Country isn't my thang...

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #32 on:** March 01, 2004, 10:24:30 PM »

Perhaps the successfull ticket sales had something to do with their popularity.

Afterall, the link you posted is dated March 7 - the date of the ticket sales.

The comments made by Maines occured the following week.

Sandman · « **Reply #33 on:** March 01, 2004, 10:34:05 PM »

According to Wikipedia, it was March 5.

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On March 5, 2003, Natalie Maines provoked controversy in America by saying, during a concert in London, that the band was "ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas". Maines is a native of Lubbock, Texas. Following the uproar and a boycott of their music, the singer attempted to clarify matters on March 12 with the statement "I feel the President is ignoring the opinions of many in the U.S. and alienating the rest of the world."

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #34 on:** March 01, 2004, 10:43:42 PM »

According to Yahoo, the comments were spoken in London on March 10th.

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The trio performed a live show in London on Monday (March 10th) night, and Natalie Maines told the crowd, "Just so you know, we're ashamed the President of the United States is from Texas."

http://launch.yahoo.com/read/news.asp?contentID=212621

Sandman · « **Reply #35 on:** March 01, 2004, 11:09:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
According to Yahoo, the comments were spoken in London on March 10th.

http://launch.yahoo.com/read/news.asp?contentID=212621

You're probably right on the date... I've been searching for the complete tour schedule of that year, but have come up short. A few articles reference the March 10 date.

Even without the concert sales, the DC did quite well on record sales during the entire year according to Billboard:

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Despite the controversy that surrounded the Dixie Chicks and the political views of vocalist Natalie Maines, the trio remained at the top of the Billboard Top Country Duo/Group recap.

The Chicks' "Home" album comes in at No. 2 on this year's list of top country albums, with sales buoyed by the group's successful Top of the World tour.

59bassman · « **Reply #36 on:** March 02, 2004, 12:53:25 AM »

Penn should have just said his thank you's and kept his political opinions to himself for the night.
Just MHO

SirLoin · « **Reply #37 on:** March 02, 2004, 01:18:06 AM »

I think Moore said Bush should be ashamed of himself..something to that effect...i think.

SOB · « **Reply #38 on:** March 02, 2004, 01:29:37 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I dont think it was anything moore said, certainly he said it all before in public. However it was the way he behaved and grandstanded and made a fool of himself that was the real problem. I think its ok for people to make personal gestures upon reciving the awards but not to the point it becomes a disrespectful and distracting embarassement, and it seems that he did.

LOL, so you hate him because he was disrespectful to the Oscars?

Torque · « **Reply #39 on:** March 02, 2004, 07:44:13 AM »

Hehehe, looks like someone is saur with envy.

lazs2 · « **Reply #40 on:** March 02, 2004, 08:32:08 AM »

did you guys cry at the oscars?

lazs

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #41 on:** March 02, 2004, 08:41:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Torque
Hehehe, looks like someone is saur with envy.

Only of the money made in the business.

Doberman · « **Reply #42 on:** March 02, 2004, 12:11:35 PM »

Saurdaukar, you should probably just give up before you've embarrased yourself further.

I don't care for anyone who uses their mass-media popularity to dispense thier (often misguided & uninformed) political views. But I'll still go see their movies / concerts / TV shows (in the case of Martin Sheen) if I enjoy their performances. As will the HUGE majority of the public. Thinking otherwise is just foolish.

Most of the examples you've posted after I refuted your original point have already been shot down. I'll complete the circle by pointing out that 21 Grams was a smallish Independant type film that wasn't going to get a huge audience no matter who was in it. Sean Penn had nothing to do with the lukewarm reception by the unwashed masses. The subject matter did.

You say "Well then remove him and insert anyone else you'd like in order to prove my point. " No, that's not how it works. It's your point, which you've so far not managed to back up in the least. If you want to convince people that a performers political views have a consequential affect upon thier popularity and revenue, you've gotta be the one to present an example that can't easily be dismissed or explained for simpler reasons. And saying "Well, maybe they would have been even bigger" is a cop-out and unprovable.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #43 on:** March 02, 2004, 12:23:39 PM »

Sean? Sean Penn? Is that you?

Lighten up grasshopper.

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Originally posted by Doberman
Saurdaukar, you should probably just give up before you've embarrased yourself further.

Er - embarressed of what? My opinion?

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I don't care for anyone who uses their mass-media popularity to dispense thier (often misguided & uninformed) political views. But I'll still go see their movies / concerts / TV shows (in the case of Martin Sheen) if I enjoy their performances. As will the HUGE majority of the public. Thinking otherwise is just foolish.

So in short, because I dont agree with you, Im foolish. Gotcha.

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Most of the examples you've posted after I refuted your original point have already been shot down. I'll complete the circle by pointing out that 21 Grams was a smallish Independant type film that wasn't going to get a huge audience no matter who was in it. Sean Penn had nothing to do with the lukewarm reception by the unwashed masses. The subject matter did.

To give you an idea of the weight your opinion held, I dont remember the post - Ill scroll up later. PS: Star Wars was a 'smallish independant film' too with questionable subject matter.

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You say "Well then remove him and insert anyone else you'd like in order to prove my point. " No, that's not how it works. It's your point, which you've so far not managed to back up in the least. If you want to convince people that a performers political views have a consequential affect upon thier popularity and revenue, you've gotta be the one to present an example that can't easily be dismissed or explained for simpler reasons. And saying "Well, maybe they would have been even bigger" is a cop-out and unprovable.

Ah, Ive found the problem. You see - the above statement is written as though you believe that I think 'remove him and insert anyone else you'd like in order to prove my point' was a valid attempt to convince you of something.

Given the jovial nature of the post and the comment, I'd say you probably took it the wrong way so Ill be a little more clear this time: I stated my opinion - nothing more, nothing less. If you feel the need to start picking it apart because you dont agree with it, youre bored at work, or youre mad at the wife, thats fine, but dont expect me to give it the same amount of attention.

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #44 on:** March 02, 2004, 01:51:04 PM »

like anyone even read that after your previous crap fest.

wake up dude your and idiot.