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Offline Hornet

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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2004, 11:14:35 PM »
kj always keep in mind the psychology that dictates the tactics here. most of this type will be opportunists. They are not out looking for a tough fight.

This type of pilot has an internal clock or a hard deck or some combination that determines when to break off and when to press attacks.

Starting out you just want to set off their internal alarm bells to leave you alone.

If they're patient on perch...and you're in relative clear skies...make them set that perch at a lower alt. This keeps them checking their 6 after each pass because of the threat of late adds.
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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2004, 01:35:21 AM »
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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2004, 10:55:22 AM »
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kj always keep in mind the psychology that dictates the tactics here. most of this type will be opportunists. They are not out looking for a tough fight.

This type of pilot has an internal clock or a hard deck or some combination that determines when to break off and when to press attacks.

Starting out you just want to set off their internal alarm bells to leave you alone.

If they're patient on perch...and you're in relative clear skies...make them set that perch at a lower alt. This keeps them checking their 6 after each pass because of the threat of late adds.


That's a very good point Hornet. Very few pilots will go past the point of no return in terms of commital on a BnZ attack. There are ways to make yourself an unattractive target without dumping all of your E. Eventually the attacker will give up or screw up and lose the advantage. I have always contended to those that malign alt-monkeys/cherry-pickers etc. that only someone with very poor SA will get killed by someone BnZ'ing them 1 vs 1. It requires a great shot by the attacker to successfully BnZ someone who is aware of the threat and is manuevering accordingly.

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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2004, 11:46:01 AM »
By the way, Steve. You'd better not tell Mr. Toad that you dive onto cons like that. That would be using an alt advantage. :eek: You know he disapproves of that sort of thing. :lol

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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2004, 11:59:49 AM »
Toad knows that I'll dive on cons.  I kicked the crap out of his 205 just the other day.


Disclaimer:  Never mind that Toad had no ailerons, was pointed down, was inverted, and had a guy chasing him.  Sorry toad, that  rook just  couldn't get you, despite your condition.  I knew it was you in the 205 and couldn't resist.   :D
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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2004, 05:55:55 PM »
"This type of pilot has an internal clock or a hard deck or some combination that determines when to break off and when to press attacks.

Starting out you just want to set off their internal alarm bells to leave you alone."


That is a good point and one which I haven't been factoring in enough. My usual strategic thinking consists of how am I going to kill this guy, no matter where I'm starting out from. LOL!

I guess I don't have to fight everybody, huh?

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« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2004, 01:58:14 AM »
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"This type of pilot has an internal clock or a hard deck or some combination that determines when to break off and when to press attacks.

Starting out you just want to set off their internal alarm bells to leave you alone."


That is a good point and one which I haven't been factoring in enough. My usual strategic thinking consists of how am I going to kill this guy, no matter where I'm starting out from. LOL!

I guess I don't have to fight everybody, huh?


Yea, the chances of you finding a Co-E, Co-Alt, 1 vs. 1 fight with a comparably performing plane without a fuel load handicap either way in the MA is less than hitting the powerball 3 draws in a row while getting struck by lightning. Just think of it as odds, learn to quickly judge relative E states and your odds of successfully equalizing them. Sometimes plane match-ups are in your favor, or you're really light and therefore more nimble and you can press the issue but more often than not, that is not the case.

Generally speaking, unless you have some advantage you are able to exploit, disengage and get an advantage. Doing otherwise just risks giving an undeserving enemy your pelt for no other reason than you lack the patience, discretion and rationality to realize 9 out of 10 times you are staring in the face of a losing situation. Unless of course you just enjoy giving the enemy a big stick to beat you with and have enough disposable free time to replane and re-alt to the fighting over and over  on these new HUGE time consuming maps we are forced to endure.

If I just invested 30 minutes and have 4 pelts in my pouch I'm not about to give some Niki or La7 l33t k3wl d00d with some alt on me the opportunity to face shoot me. He'll instead get the priviledge of chasing me to friends and/or ack and certain death....


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