For Lazs: 2003 Crime Stats

[Toad]

Dowding, would you say that crime states across all nations generally show a relationship between areas of high population density and high crime.

IE: That the high density areas of New Zealand tend to have more crime and the same holds true in say... the US, Canada, UK, Germany, etc.?

Or are you saying no broad based comparisons can be valid?

[lazs2]

yes... America is compossed of 40 tiny little states no bigger than say... england and.... 10 whopping big ones.

Are people in America naturaly more homicidal thatn people in NZ?  well.... yeah... are people in Africa more homiciedal than people in england? are japs more suiicidal than swedes?  

vulcan..Ok.. so... what gun laws did you pass that you dcredit this drop in crime to?   did you have some ban that you believe made people less criminal?   I would bet that if you allowed concealled carry and had more guns in your society that crime would have fallen even more.

you are a tiny little whitebread island.  

you need a little "diversity" to understand... maybe you could import some africans or columbians or russians and we could look at your stats again?  Hell.... you can't even handle a movie crew or two.

one thing is certain... any people stupid enough to throw away their right to defend themselves ends up with burglars out the butt...   like limeyland...  what a bunch of *****s.  "go ahead and rob my house but pleeeeese don't make me look at those nasty guns!"

so... give up your rights or not... in your lttle whitebread island it won't make much difference..

lazs

[_Schadenfreude_]

Originally posted by GScholz
Are you saying that Americans are just naturally more homicidal than New Zealanders (or the rest of the world for that matter)?

It's pretty much a given....

[lazs2]

well yeah.... unless of course you just take white Americans and then they are no more homicidal than say Canadians or little island dwellers.   Alltogether tho... we are more homicidal.  

wouldn't have it any other way.   Guess that's why we will never understand each other.

lazs

[Naso]

Originally posted by lazs2
...you need a little "diversity" to understand... maybe you could import some africans or columbians or russians....

Originally posted by lazs2
[B.... unless of course you just take white Americans and then they are no more homicidal than say Canadians or little island dwellers.[/B]

So you are suggesting Homicides are related with ethnicity?

Or skin color?

[lazs2]

I am not suggesting anything.   I am stating that white Americans have the same homicide rate as say Canadians or tiny little island dwellers.  I am also stating that africa has a very high homicide rate.

oh... I am also saying that negroes have a very high homicide rate in the U.S.

These are all facts.  draw your own conclussions.

lazs

[Dowding]

Lazs really has no idea about the world outside the US. You'll find that France has a huge immigrant population. Same with Spain and Germany. The UK has plenty of everybody - in fact, Birmingham (Britain's second biggest city) will have a white minority by 2010. We have Somalians, Nigerians, Indians, Pakistanis, Bengalis etc etc etc as well a tonne of exiles from every tin pot dictatorship going. Multi-ethnicity has never been a solely American phenomenon and so I don't think it is the reason for your elevated homicide rates. Any other guesses?

[medicboy]

You call this a victory?????

I would rather shoot someone than let them break into my home and assualt my self or my family.  

quote:

Wellington recorded the biggest increase of 4.8 per cent, with house burglaries jumping from 3201 in 2002 to 4126, a 28.9 per cent rise compared to a national average of 6.3 per cent.

Thefts from cars rose by 17.2 per cent, from 5387 to 6314. The national average was a drop of 0.8 per cent.

Wellington's district commander,

Superintendent Rob Pope, said the statistics were "deeply disappointing". He had pulled together the region's five area commanders to work out how to reverse the figures.

"When you take away violence and sexual offending, burglary is probably the most violating crime the public in general is likely to experience."

Drugs and antisocial crimes rose 6.2 per cent, with Sale of Liquor Act offences soaring 138.4 per cent, from 1801 to 4293, primarily because of breaches of local liquor bans

However, sexual offences almost doubled – from 191 in 2002 to 346 last year – while violent offending rose 11.1 per cent

Police Commissioner Rob Robinson said he was concerned about the 1.5 per cent rise in violent crime, which included a 6.1 per cent rise in grievous assaults, but regarded the figures as a "tremendous result".

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ya, that a real victory, no thanks you can have your "safe" country, Ill keep the USA.   Btw, I have never heard of a home invasion in Montana, unless you want to call it suicide...lol

[lazs2]

and the countries you name are enjoying a rise in crime.

White Americans have the same homicide rate as say Canada.   It's that simple.   I draw no conclussions from this except that if all the black crime went away we would still have guns and our crime would be lower than most countries.   We would still have guns too.   In the U.S. more guns equals less crime.   Homicides are not the only type of crime.   I don't want to be huddled up in my locked room while the burglars are going through my stuff hopeing that they don't trip or cut themselves on the broken glass and sue me.

lazs

[Ripsnort]

I only know this much for local homocides.  Over half are gang-related.

[Dowding]

So what you are saying is that the homicide rate (per capita) among blacks in the US is considerably higher than among blacks in other countries? It would have to be to give the demonstrated stats.

Sounds like that is where your problem is.

[lazs2]

I would say that the homicide rate in black countries is considerably higher.... yes.    I would guess that in countries with more than 10% blacks there is a higher percentage of crime amongst the blacks.

dowding... you claim that I know very little about the rest of the world... I claim I know as much as you and... I claim that you know nothing about the U.S.

lazs

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Dowding
So what you are saying is that the homicide rate (per capita) among blacks in the US is considerably higher than among blacks in other countries? It would have to be to give the demonstrated stats.

Sounds like that is where your problem is.

Educate yourself:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/teens.htm

When you get to this part>>
The victimization rates have generally declined for adults ages 25-34, 35-49, and 50 and over

then remind yourself that the highest gun ownership age range is 62 years and older, they possess over 33% of all handguns.

[Ripsnort]

Scroll to the bottom of this page and take a look at those stats:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/teens.htm
63.8 % of all homocides in the U.S. are from an age group of 18-34, of of that, 75.9% was drug related.

Thanks, 1960's...Peace Love, Drugs...lead to where we are today

[Naso]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Scroll to the bottom of this page and take a look at those stats:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/teens.htm
63.8 % of all homocides in the U.S. are from an age group of 18-34, of of that, 75.9% was drug related.

Thanks, 1960's...Peace Love, Drugs...lead to where we are today

<---- Stare at Rip's signature......

Ok... nevermind.