War...

[irritant]

I personally supported the war in Afghanistan strongly. It was effectively destroying the beehive, although many bees have scattered throughout the world. Nevertheless, I still think it was the best thing we could have done at the time.

However, I do not really support the war in Iraq. Not because I am a flower-waving hippy, or that I don't think the Iraqis deserve freedom. I think it is a good thing that Saddam and his dictatorship are gone. However, that is not the justification that President Bush gave. He tried to justify it by saying that Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction and was ready to use them on the west. I have many reasons to believe he lied to the American people, and that is why I do not support the war.

[Otto]

Irritant.

   I understand your position on the war.  But,  it was never really about WMD.  It was about 'payback' for New York.  We had to takedown an Arab country (one with oil) to get the point across to the rest, that if you support groups that are trying to kill Americans that you'll suffer the same fate.   They got the message...

[john9001]

Originally posted by irritant
He tried to justify it by saying that Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction and was ready to use them on the west. I have many reasons to believe he lied to the American people, and that is why I do not support the war.

"Mr. President,we have every reason to believe that Saddam Hussien will continue to do everything in his power to futher develope weapons of mass desstruction and the ability to deliver those weapons without concern or pangs of conscience if ever and whenever his own calculations persuade him it is in his interest to do so".....Senator John Kerry

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Coolridr
Just looked it ip...looks like the only sub to visit there in 1994 was the USS Jacksonville SSN-699...which it's a cooincidence that sub is named after my hometown of jacksonville,FL

Here is a webpage for ya
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/3499/jaxhistory.html

edit: fixed the link

born there in 59

moved around alot but grad Terry Parker HS '77

[irritant]

Otto-

I understand your viewpoint, but I disagree. As I recall, President Bush made clear that the main reason for going to war was about WMD. Even if the real main reason was to make a point to the terrorists, the truth was not told.

In my opinion, the war in Afghanistan was the real 'payback' for the 9/11 attacks. The message did get across, but terrorism is still a threat in Sotheast Asia and Europe among others, but especially Southwest Asia. Iraq had little (if any) affiliation with terrorists, in fact, Saddam Hussein despised them. Meanwhile terrorism is an almost regular occurance in Saudi Arabia.

Offhand question- Why did you say that we needed to invade a country with oil? How would it make a difference?

[VFJACKAL]

Originally posted by Nilsen10
What prolly bothers me the most is leaders that refer to the civilian deaths that always follows these pre-emtive actions as "unfortunate but inevetable".

These "unfortunate" deaths wich alot of the time is counted in the thousands are always someones families and friends. If those "unfortunate" deaths was american, british or watever there would be public outrage and goverments may even fall. When those deaths are on the other side of the world then they may just get a few lines in a paper and a shrug from those responsible.

911....those were "unfortunate"

[Nilsen]

VFJACKAL. Either you misunderstood or you read what you wanted to read.

Civilian casualties in a shoting war, not terror victims like 9/11.