Author Topic: Funked:New WRX in the neighborhood (Read 6148 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #210 on:** March 19, 2004, 10:06:32 AM »

steve.. the new issue of Chevy High Performance has about the best article on cams I have seen. I don't know what level your knowledge is but this article covers it all pretty well.

furball... It was wildthings attitude that started the whole thing in the first place. My cars may be ugly but I didn't make em uglier... He made an ugly car worse. I don't really care since I don't enter "shows". Well... I did park outside one once and got a "peoples choice" mention with the elky... probly a joke but there were so many people in the parking lot looking at my six speed and vintage air (they were pretty rare then)and hotchkiss stuff... were just crawling all over the car and bench racing... think it ticked off the judges.

elky suits my needs... better weight distribution than a chevelle and so it handles and launches better. I am single but a property owner so the pickup bed comes in handy from time to time.

sour... I didn't say I would beat wildthings modified whatever that thing is with funked's stock subie. I could easily modify funkeds car to beat 13.3... How fast would the subie be with a mickey mouse nitrous kit for instance? big deal... couple hours and few hundred bucks.

Top speed in the quarter can be an indication of potential but et wins races. Nitrous squews top speeds since you can't launch with it. I don't think nitrous times should be counted on a street car since you can't run nitrous when you need it on demand.

perhaps his car would run allmost with a showroom Mustang but... you would have less in the mustang and ten times better car. and.... if you through on a nitous kit that any teenager could bolt on in an afternoon... you would effortlessly tromp that idol to tacky..

I see no problemwith owning a front wheel drive car to commute in if there were nothing else but it is a bad idea for a car... all the money in the world is not gonna fix that. The more power you add to a front wheeler the worse you make things.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #211 on:** March 19, 2004, 10:26:51 AM »

oh sour.. bet I could chop a second off funkeds car with gears and a pulley... It would then tromp wildthings jukebox even with wilthing running the nitrous cheat/crutch.

mini... you might find that the expenses start to get out of hand when you upgrade some of those old Chevy's... sure.. you can buy anything you want but you end up putting a pretty fair amount of money into em.

stony... took my elky to the scales and it weighs 3650 lbs. The newer cars are all creeping up to 3400-3500 lbs. Seen where the new mustang was like 3450! The elky has great weight distribution, better than a Chevelle of the same year. With 500 lbs of torque I can give up a few pounds... the old 409 was a fun car but pushing 4100 lbs around with about 380 real HP was a stretch. These days you could pull the 09 and 4 speed and dump in a 540 inch 750 hp crate motor and 6 speed trans that would move the impala along right smartly... you would not be embarassed by any front wheel drive car. I got no problem with your car... I would do as you did to it if I owned it. If it was all I had I most certainly would do what you did and be proud of what I accomplished...

Last divorce, I was broke as could be and bought a 91 Highway Patrol Mustang off the lot... 302 5 speed with 3.55 posi. Ran fine... I added simple stuff like bigger throttle body and fresh air stuff and pulleys and bilsteins tires etc.. as I could aford it... great car... cheap and fast. I did not add nitrous. I did not add plastic panels or wings or paint the interior purple or anodize everything in site... I did as you did and every mod brought an increase in performance that was personally satisfying. Grand prix is not a bad looking car... I just don't like front wheel drive. but... I woulda been happy to own one compared to some of the other crap cars I have had to own in my life.

lazs

Mini D · « **Reply #212 on:** March 19, 2004, 12:22:55 PM »

Lazs... I know what costs can be involved. It really depends on what you want it to do. But if you wanted to get a chevelle to do a 12 second quarter mile, you could easily do it under $20k (car included) and probably still have a pretty sweet looking ride. If you wanted to go IRS and increase the cornering, you're talking more money of course... though, I bet I could still get a mint car, throw a big block in it and set it up with an IRS, 4 wheel disc brakes and a tranny that would easily handle the HP for under $30k... and that's with $10k of it being the car. If the chevelle I've been eyeballing is around in 3 years, I just might give it a shot.

Right now, I'll stick with my Mini and it's whopping 115 hp. I'm of the firm oppinion that under 200hp, FWD is the way to go... over 200 hp, then RWD or AWD. Right now I'd rather spend $15 per week on gas as opposed to the $35 I'd spend driving the Grand Prix. I do like the new "traction control" that has been installed on most FWD cars with over 200hp to help keep the torque steer from pulling them off the roads. Nearest I can tell traction control is french for "keep the power from reaching the road because the car just can't handle it."

As for why wldthng's posts merrited such a laugh... someone touted the "110-115" quarter mile speed as being not that bad at all. You'd be right... if that's what he'd done. But he said "that's what he could do if he didn't keep breaking axles". It's the classic ricer syndrome. Then, instead of posting timeslips to show how fast his car is, he posts pictures to show how fast it is. That's pretty damn funny. Don't even get me started on ricer HP math. You know... the syndrome where someone reads that an upgrade will get you 10hp, and another will get you 15hp, and another will get you 12 hp... then surely all you have to do is buy all 3 to get 37 additional HP. Hehehehe.

MiniD

lazs2 · « **Reply #213 on:** March 19, 2004, 01:04:23 PM »

agreed... I have about 20k in my elky and it was built fairly recently... I could build a 12 sec mustang (87-93) for half that and that is without the nitrous.. I could beat wildthings car with 6000 bucks using a 5.0 mustang and a 400 dollar nitrous kit... and... I could drive it so it didn't break anything. You can build a Chevelle with or without the irs for 30k that would be kickbutt... you don't need the irs to make it go around corners.

furball seems to be missing the point... he feels that the El Camino is ugly... that is fine but not germaine to the conversation... I did not do the original styling.. some guy in GM in 1967 did. All I did was clean it up some... Now, if he wants to get into anything I did to the car to make it ugly, that is different... Maybe he feels the 6 speed lever and knob are ugly? the traction bars? Maybe the vintage air air conditioner? the Hotchkiss and bilstein suspension? What did I do to make the car "ugly"?

but wildthings car... he is the one responsible for that jukebox.

work supplies me with a new dodge truck and gas so most of my gas is paid for. I can afford the 10-14 mpg that the elky gets for my running around.

lazs

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #214 on:** March 19, 2004, 01:07:46 PM »

Laz
How many miles do you have on the Elco with the 6 speed in it?

Has the shifter gotten smoother?

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #215 on:** March 19, 2004, 01:09:47 PM »

It sure shifted smooth when I drove it. Clutch was pretty burly, and I hate the steering, but the shifter was sweet.

Furball · « **Reply #216 on:** March 19, 2004, 01:10:22 PM »

sorry lazs, was half in jest about the ugly car.

Bet it sounds nice tho

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #217 on:** March 19, 2004, 01:13:40 PM »

Before I sold it to Laz, I put about 1000 miles on it in my older Goat.... Man what a ****ing blast that car was. About 350 HP, Global west front suspension, big sway bar, bigger disk brakes and even decent gas mililedge.

The shifter was a bit stiff for me though, but I figured it neeeded to be broken in.

lazs2 · « **Reply #218 on:** March 19, 2004, 01:18:17 PM »

GTO... about 10k.. the shifter is not bad at all but the synchros in second and third might be a little worn... they crunch a tiny bit when cold if I'm not careful... methinks you might have made a hard shift or two when you had it I changed over to synthetic gear oil of course.

furball... not argueing about wether the car is ugly or not. I happen to think it was a good looking design ... maybe you don't.. point is... I didn't design it.

If there is some feature that I changed that you don't like then that would be different.... say I put 'aero' panels on it or a big wing on the back or painted half the interior purple and mounted a big ol nitrous bottle between the seats... that kinda thing. Mostly tho... I just cleaned stuff up... maybe a little harder than it sounds tho.

lazs

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #219 on:** March 19, 2004, 01:49:12 PM »

Lol Laz, yeah I had my days, I smoked a guy with the curvy body style cobra mustang, (mid 90s?), that I worked with, lol he was a bit embarased to get destroyed by a car in primer.

Richmond says anyone with decent automotive knowledge can rebuilt their six speed? You going to try when it needs it?

They sell other gear sets as well, the one in it was the standard one.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #220 on:** March 19, 2004, 02:02:02 PM »

Actually the Yamaha V6 Ford used in the SHO was from Yamaha's Marine Division. Ford detuned it for street use (Ford did the electronics for the engine management) and Yamaha adapted the rest (the various changes to the cooling system) for street use.
That was probably the best V-6 Ford ever saw. To bad they quit using it. It had a lot of potential.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #221 on:** March 19, 2004, 02:05:14 PM »

I had no idea the SHO had a whole new motor, I knew they were fast though, lol. Learn something new everyday!:D

Skuzzy · « **Reply #222 on:** March 19, 2004, 02:09:08 PM »

They only used it for the first 3 (?) years of the SHO's GTO. Then Ford went with a motor designed in-house. Not nearly as good of an engine as the Yamaha one. That motor liked to rev and was really smooth about it.

It probably looked the best of any motor Ford has ever used as well. Those dual length intake runners gave the engine a Formula One look. Really nice looking.

Munkii · « **Reply #223 on:** March 19, 2004, 03:37:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
They only used it for the first 3 (?) years of the SHO's GTO. Then Ford went with a motor designed in-house. Not nearly as good of an engine as the Yamaha one. That motor liked to rev and was really smooth about it.

It probably looked the best of any motor Ford has ever used as well. Those dual length intake runners gave the engine a Formula One look. Really nice looking.

They used the 3.0 SHO in the 89-95 SHO's, they then used a 3.4 or 3.6 V8 with Yamaha heads in the 96-98 SHO's, but it was only paired with an automatic and wasn't very fast. Another beautiful engine is the ZR1 Vette's, a local classic auto store in OKC has a mint condition ZR1 with 4 miles on it displayed in their shop.

lazs2 · « **Reply #224 on:** March 19, 2004, 04:34:19 PM »

the zr1 was a hand built motor by Mercury Outboard. It is still winning things like the Texas mile for top speed.

lazs