Author Topic: CT 24 Tour (last month) Top 5 Killers (Read 975 times)

CurtissP-6EHawk · « **on:** March 16, 2004, 09:50:10 PM »

Model........Kills......Death s....Kills / Deaths + 1

1. N1K2........2501.......2182.. .........1.1457
2. A6M2.......1896........1733.. .........1.0934
3. P-40E......1464........1340...........1.0917
4. Me 163B.....915.........290..... ......3.1443
5. C.202.........914.........846 ...........1.0791

All Fighters with more deaths than kills omitted!
NOTE: All but one Fighter is Axis!

Top 5 Stats so far this TOD (CT 25):

Model................Kills... ..Deaths.....Kills / Deaths + 1

1. Bf 109G-10.......1333.......903............1.4746
2. Ki-61.................998.......765............1.3029
3. A6M5b..............719....... 654............1.0977
4. F6F-5................660.......548............1.2022
5. N1K2.................543..... ..527............1.0284

All Fighters with more deaths than kills omitted!
NOTE: All but one Fighter is Axis!

Löwe · « **Reply #1 on:** March 16, 2004, 10:05:50 PM »

You had time to post this crap but not fly with your squad??

CurtissP-6EHawk · « **Reply #2 on:** March 16, 2004, 10:09:05 PM »

Yeap, I have tuesdays off!
Daughter just went to bed

Karnak · « **Reply #3 on:** March 16, 2004, 10:27:41 PM »

Now this is what can be considered a misleading statistic.

How many Allied planes are the Allied kills spread across in any given setup? How many Axix planes are the Axis kills spread across in any given setup?

Right, the Allied kills are spread over many more aircraft than are the Axis kills. Therefore the Axis aircraft should have more kills per type.

The way to test this would be to look at the total Allied kills and the total Axis kills. If the Allied kills are aproximately equal to, or greater than, the Axis kills I am correct. If the Axis kills are signifcantly greater than the Allied kills then I am full of crap.

CurtissP-6EHawk · « **Reply #4 on:** March 16, 2004, 10:50:11 PM »

Karnak your not full of crap and usually the toatal outcome is close. You just cant ignor the fact that the axis aircraft/pilots have a better kill/death ratio. The allied aircraft are not ubber per plane set as the axis so cry about. Allies dont RUN as much as they say....etc etc etc.

Give me the plane sets for last month and I will start on it! Geesh, think about it. Even with the allies having five different airplanes, the axis still get a better kill/death ratio.

Here is an example: Notice ALL allied aircraft have more Deaths than Kills vs the George!!!!

N1K2 has 2501 Kills of All models
All models have 2182 Kills of N1K2

Model type N1K2 Kills

A-20G 0

A6M2 0

A6M5b 0

Ar 234 0

B-17G 80

B-26B 101

B5N2 0

Bf 109E-4 0

Bf 109F-4 0

Bf 109G-10 0

Bf 109G-2 0

Bf 109G-6 0

Bf 110C-4b 0

Bf 110G-2 0

Boston III 0

C-47A 36

C.202 0

C.205 0

Chute 0

D3A1 0

F4F-4 0

F4U-1 4

F4U-1C 330

F4U-1D 0

F4U-4 301

F6F-5 250

FM2 0

Fw 190A-5 0

Fw 190A-8 0

Fw 190D-9 0

Fw 190F-8 0

Gunner 2

Hurricane IIC 0

Hurricane IID 0

Hurricane Mk I 0

Il-2 0

Ju 87D-3 0

Ju 88 0

Ki-61 0

Ki-67 0

La-5FN 0

La-7 0

Lancaster III 0

LVTA2 13

LVTA4 10

M-16 97

M-3 51

M-8 12

Me 163B 0

Me 262 0

Mosquito Mk VI 0

N1K2 0

Ostwind 0

P-38L 693

P-40B 0

P-40E 0

P-47-D25 0

P-47-D30 44

P-47D-11 0

P-51B 0

P-51D 171

Panzer IV H 28

PT Boat 9

SBD-5 0

SeaFire 37

Ship Gunner 1

Spitfire Mk I 0

Spitfire Mk IX 0

Spitfire Mk XIV 117

Spitfire V 0

Ta 152H 0

TBM-3 29

Tempest 85

Tiger I 0

Typhoon IB 0

Yak-9T 0

Yak-9U 0

Model type N1K2 Kills

P-38L 693

F4U-1C 330

F4U-4 301

F6F-5 250

P-51D 171

Spitfire Mk XIV 117

B-26B 101

M-16 97

Tempest 85

B-17G 80

M-3 51

P-47-D30 44

SeaFire 37

C-47A 36

TBM-3 29

Panzer IV H 28

LVTA2 13

M-8 12

LVTA4 10

PT Boat 9

F4U-1 4

Gunner 2

Ship Gunner 1

Bf 109G-10 0

Spitfire Mk IX 0

La-5FN 0

Chute 0

N1K2 0

Fw 190A-8 0

C.205 0

F4U-1D 0

Bf 109F-4 0

Bf 109G-2 0

Bf 109G-6 0

Spitfire V 0

C.202 0

Typhoon IB 0

Fw 190A-5 0

Yak-9U 0

A6M5b 0

P-47-D25 0

Ostwind 0

Ju 88 0

Lancaster III 0

Ar 234 0

Ta 152H 0

Fw 190F-8 0

La-7 0

Yak-9T 0

Fw 190D-9 0

P-51B 0

P-47D-11 0

Ki-61 0

Il-2 0

Me 262 0

Hurricane IIC 0

Hurricane IID 0

Mosquito Mk VI 0

Ki-67 0

Bf 110C-4b 0

Spitfire Mk I 0

Bf 109E-4 0

Hurricane Mk I 0

Bf 110G-2 0

Boston III 0

F4F-4 0

FM2 0

A-20G 0

D3A1 0

SBD-5 0

A6M2 0

P-40E 0

P-40B 0

Me 163B 0

Tiger I 0

Ju 87D-3 0

B5N2 0

P-38L 693

F4U-1C 330

F4U-4 301

F6F-5 250

P-51D 171

Spitfire Mk XIV 117

B-26B 101

M-16 97

Tempest 85

B-17G 80

M-3 51

P-47-D30 44

SeaFire 37

C-47A 36

TBM-3 29

Panzer IV H 28

LVTA2 13

M-8 12

LVTA4 10

PT Boat 9

F4U-1 4

Gunner 2

Ship Gunner 1

Bf 109G-10 0

Spitfire Mk IX 0

La-5FN 0

Chute 0

N1K2 0

Fw 190A-8 0

C.205 0

F4U-1D 0

Bf 109F-4 0

Bf 109G-2 0

Bf 109G-6 0

Spitfire V 0

C.202 0

Typhoon IB 0

Fw 190A-5 0

Yak-9U 0

A6M5b 0

P-47-D25 0

Ostwind 0

Ju 88 0

Lancaster III 0

Ar 234 0

Ta 152H 0

Fw 190F-8 0

La-7 0

Yak-9T 0

Fw 190D-9 0

P-51B 0

P-47D-11 0

Ki-61 0

Il-2 0

Me 262 0

Hurricane IIC 0

Hurricane IID 0

Mosquito Mk VI 0

Ki-67 0

Bf 110C-4b 0

Spitfire Mk I 0

Bf 109E-4 0

Hurricane Mk I 0

Bf 110G-2 0

Boston III 0

F4F-4 0

FM2 0

A-20G 0

D3A1 0

SBD-5 0

A6M2 0

P-40E 0

P-40B 0

Me 163B 0

Tiger I 0

Ju 87D-3 0

B5N2 0

Model type N1K2 Deaths

A-20G 0

A6M2 0

A6M5b 0

Ar 234 0

B-17G 70

B-26B 90

B5N2 0

Bf 109E-4 0

Bf 109F-4 0

Bf 109G-10 0

Bf 109G-2 0

Bf 109G-6 0

Bf 110C-4b 0

Bf 110G-2 0

Boston III 0

C-47A 0

C.202 0

C.205 0

Chute 7

D3A1 0

F4F-4 0

F4U-1 2

F4U-1C 322

F4U-1D 0

F4U-4 255

F6F-5 146

FM2 0

Fw 190A-5 0

Fw 190A-8 0

Fw 190D-9 0

Fw 190F-8 0

Gunner 9

Hurricane IIC 0

Hurricane IID 0

Hurricane Mk I 0

Il-2 0

Ju 87D-3 0

Ju 88 0

Ki-61 0

Ki-67 0

La-5FN 0

La-7 0

Lancaster III 0

LVTA2 8

LVTA4 7

M-16 115

M-3 9

M-8 6

Me 163B 0

Me 262 0

Mosquito Mk VI 0

N1K2 0

Ostwind 0

P-38L 533

P-40B 0

P-40E 0

P-47-D25 0

P-47-D30 25

P-47D-11 0

P-51B 0

P-51D 58

Panzer IV H 40

PT Boat 12

SBD-5 0

SeaFire 36

Ship Gunner 115

Spitfire Mk I 0

Spitfire Mk IX 0

Spitfire Mk XIV 104

Spitfire V 0

Ta 152H 0

TBM-3 4

Tempest 209

Tiger I 0

Typhoon IB 0

Yak-9T 0

Yak-9U 0

Model type N1K2 Deaths

P-38L 533

F4U-1C 322

F4U-4 255

Tempest 209

F6F-5 146

Ship Gunner 115

M-16 115

Spitfire Mk XIV 104

B-26B 90

B-17G 70

P-51D 58

Panzer IV H 40

SeaFire 36

P-47-D30 25

PT Boat 12

M-3 9

Gunner 9

LVTA2 8

Chute 7

LVTA4 7

M-8 6

TBM-3 4

F4U-1 2

Bf 109G-10 0

Spitfire Mk IX 0

C-47A 0

La-5FN 0

N1K2 0

Fw 190A-8 0

C.205 0

F4U-1D 0

Bf 109F-4 0

Bf 109G-2 0

Bf 109G-6 0

Spitfire V 0

C.202 0

Typhoon IB 0

Fw 190A-5 0

Yak-9U 0

A6M5b 0

P-47-D25 0

Ostwind 0

Ju 88 0

Lancaster III 0

Ar 234 0

Ta 152H 0

Fw 190F-8 0

La-7 0

Yak-9T 0

Fw 190D-9 0

P-51B 0

P-47D-11 0

Ki-61 0

Il-2 0

Me 262 0

Hurricane IIC 0

Hurricane IID 0

Mosquito Mk VI 0

Ki-67 0

Bf 110C-4b 0

Spitfire Mk I 0

Bf 109E-4 0

Hurricane Mk I 0

Bf 110G-2 0

Boston III 0

F4F-4 0

FM2 0

A-20G 0

D3A1 0

SBD-5 0

A6M2 0

P-40E 0

P-40B 0

Me 163B 0

Tiger I 0

Ju 87D-3 0

B5N2 0

Grits · « **Reply #5 on:** March 16, 2004, 11:04:43 PM »

I still contend that many of the very highly skilled independants (I dont include myself in that) and ace MA visitors mainly fly axis because there are usually (but not always) more allied targets. Over a weeks time this can easily skew numbers. But to use me as an example, I averaged 1.4 kills per death in the G10, but then again, I average that in just about every plane. I averaged better in the G6, and if you take out the more than half my deaths in the P-47 that were augers trying in kill GV's I did in that too, does that mean the G10 is worse than the G6 or P-47D-25? I think not.

I'm not sure what is behind this campaign of yours Hawk, is it refutation of Storch, or a real push for some agenda of your own?

Karnak · « **Reply #6 on:** March 16, 2004, 11:45:45 PM »

Hawk,

All that doesn't matter. Don't single out any one airframe for anything.

Simply look at the total number of kills on each side. If they are more or less even then the only reason the Axis can be dominating the "most kills on a given airframe" competition you're running is due to a lower number of Axis airframes in a given setup.

It doesn't matter jack all that the N1K2-J had a positive K/D ratio.

Shane · « **Reply #7 on:** March 17, 2004, 01:27:06 AM »

last time i flew niki setup (last month) i went 21-7 vs them in p38's.

CurtissP-6EHawk · « **Reply #8 on:** March 17, 2004, 06:34:03 AM »

Karnak you are missing the point. That doesnt mean that one airplane is better than the other. It is what I have said all along. Its the way the CT is played. Nevertheless, those aircraft have the most kills and less deaths. The CMs keep claiming that a plane is enabled or disabled because its "ubber" is bs. (except the Me163).

I didnt "single out" the George. I guess you missed the part where I said "EXAMPLE".
I cant post fighter vs fighter stats because the format screws it all up. If the allies use a particular aircraft wrong its not the CMs fault I know but the axis cant cry about it if the axis aircraft are scoring more kills.

Shane nice, I was 25 Kills and 2 deaths flying the P-38 vs George. If all the allies did was run then the George would have no kills vs the P-38. The allies did not run and the axis guys keep complaining.....thats my point.

Shane · « **Reply #9 on:** March 17, 2004, 08:59:29 AM »

most of mine were tnb... not cherries.

pwnorris · « **Reply #10 on:** March 17, 2004, 01:50:37 PM »

You know what they say,

"lies, damn lies and statistics"

Not sure if there is more to that quote. All I have to say is I'm still trying to pay off the last 3,400 aircraft I got shot down in;) .

Someone know where I can get a used P-38, CHEAP?

Arlo · « **Reply #11 on:** March 17, 2004, 04:53:09 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Shane
most of mine were tnb... not cherries.

Yeah but you're the dogfighting idiot savant of Aces High.