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Offline ravells

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« Reply #60 on: March 16, 2004, 06:49:50 PM »
phew! then we both agree with each other.

Perhaps where we differ (or maybe not), is that when I see a moron I call him one. Yes, he has the freedom to announce himself as a moron, and yes, I have the freedom to tell him he is one.

and I agree with you that calling for the closing down this BBS was perhaps a bit of an overreaction on Seeker's part, but hey..

If you   realize that English society is far more publicly polite than American public society. then that's a good thing.

As I keep saying, it's not a Euro vs. American problem (as much as people would like to make it that way) it's a moron vs. non moron problem.

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« Reply #61 on: March 16, 2004, 07:35:50 PM »
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when I see a moron I call him one.
and I agree with you that calling for the closing down this BBS was perhaps a bit of an overreaction on Seeker's part, but hey..

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While I see a lot of posts that make me want to shout "MORON!" I really try not to give in to the temptation in my post. If the guy really is a moron, it's pretty easy to make that self-evident using just the facts and standard debate techniques.

I mean, isn't calling someone a "moron" impolite? I thought we were all against being impolite? ;)

You certainly have the freedom to do so if you so choose, but isn't that becoming what you dislike?

My opinion is that the "free speech" misunderstanding is a Euro V US issue. Euro's just don't understand the way we view it and our view of what apparently passes for "free speech" in your debates is that it's really the freedom not to disagree. ;)

As for moron v moron..... yep, they're EVERYWHERE.
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« Reply #62 on: March 16, 2004, 08:36:51 PM »
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I disagree.
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« Reply #63 on: March 16, 2004, 10:39:23 PM »
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I disagree.


I disagree with YOUR disagreeing! :p  

I do have to say however that you ARE most disagreeable. :lol
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« Reply #64 on: March 17, 2004, 06:27:46 AM »
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I mean, isn't calling someone a "moron" impolite? I thought we were all against being impolite?  

You certainly have the freedom to do so if you so choose, but isn't that becoming what you dislike?


Lol, yeah. I try to resist the urge and succeed mostly, but sometimes it just has to be said.

My opinion is that the "free speech" misunderstanding is a Euro V US issue. Euro's just don't understand the way we view it and our view of what apparently passes for "free speech" in your debates is that it's really the freedom not to disagree.

Lol! That's a 'do you beat your wife every night?' argument. How do I disagree with that statement without the obvious reply? ;)


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« Reply #65 on: March 17, 2004, 06:47:49 AM »
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The proper response would be to point out it's an INTERNATIONAL BBS, run by an American company based in America. Then point out that who owns it and where it originates has NOTHING to do with the current intelligent debate to which he has just failed to contribute.

Free speechifying at it's BEST!


Dropzone.com is based in South Africa, yet has French and other sub-forums.

The reason is simple: Americanos vastly outnumber any other nation when it comes to post whoring. Thus, in every thread there'll be American-created tangents that detract from the original topic. One side of things is heavily weighted and there's a huge loss due to "noise-to-good-stuff" ratio.

So, knowing this, Sangiro (the Head Honcho at dz.com) created additional forums. There's not as much traffic on 'em, and since most Americans don't speak say French of German very well, they don't contribute that much.

I can tell you: it gets freaking annoying to read about who has been nig noggering with who, what the best (US) dz is and who you met for the evening party when 99% of that stuff isn't related to you. The Talkback (similar to the HTC O'Club forum) is just a very large orgy in American ethocentricity. The rest are about skydiving, and even here the US style/morals/methods are considered the norm and what something must be based on - which is BS, since in Denmark, our clubs run DZs and in the US, it's all pretty much commercial.

And it's not a matter of ignoring things.There's an aspect I call "cultural dominance" - that is, the dominant culture sets the mood, the norms, what is accepted and so forth. The dominant culture on a message board can supress any argument by volume alone.

You beginning to see a pattern here?

The pattern is: regionalized information is good from time to time. Some things (boogies, talk about DZs, local law) suffer greatly nder cultural dominance. Others (such as the Incidents forum, where incidents leading to injury and/or death are discussed) are much more universal.

The O'Club is one area where we could use some differentiation.

I DON'T GIVE A **** ABOUT THE AMERICAN ELECTION.

I'm free to not read any posts about it. I'm also free to stay away from the board. Which I have done, out of being so frustrated. But, the purpose of the board is to hang around, chat a bit, and show some Golly-geened respect towards each other.

It's not about rights, not much about free speech. It's about treating others with some good old fashioned respect. And knowigng and accepting that the world doesn't revolve around your own little sh|tty country.

I, out of respect for American, Guatemalans etc don't discuss every little disgustingly unimportant aspect of Danish political life. Big things sure, but I GOT the message re: US politics: Kerry is an arse and Bush is a big liar. I ain't telling you why Fogh Rasmussen is much cooler than that commie son-of-a-beeatch Lykketoft.

The respect thing: remember that there are other nationalities on the board and that ethnocentric posts drive up the noise-to-signal ratio. If I invited you over to my house for dinner, I wouldn't spend all evenig talking about me me me me me me and me. I sure could - it's within my rights. You have the right to leave. But it's not about that, but rather showing some (u)common courtesy and respect towards your fellow man.

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« Reply #66 on: March 17, 2004, 07:25:57 AM »
WoW.

Good post StSanta.
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« Reply #67 on: March 17, 2004, 08:30:26 AM »
LOL, Santa.

So because there are sooooooooooo many Americans, they shouldn't talk about American stuff?

Do you have any suggestions where we should go to talk about this stuff?

Are you suggesting HTC make an "American's Only" O-Club and leave this one to everyone else?

You know what I find neat about your "cultural dominance theory"? The US is indeed a "melting pot" of cultures. :)

Anyway, the O-Club IS the place set aside to talk about everything/anything. With respect to the game itself, the underlying "glue" that holds this community together, we have our "Incident" forums.

Post what you like about Fogh Rasmussen and Lykketoft. I'll bet you have a very private thread. The Americans aren't going to join in because:

1. No one cares about Danish politics here because it won't affect us in any serious way.

2. Danish politics get little if any world news coverage. Thus, there's not much for anyone but a Dane to say simply due to lack of information.

That's not true in the case of Kerry/Bush is it? Correctly or incorrectly, many non-Americans here and many that don't frequent this board feel this is an issue that will affect their lives. Additionally, the International news is full of American politics. Everyone's an expert on OUR politics. Norwegians, Swedes, Finns, Danes, etc., all know more than we do and feel free to instruct us. :lol

It is about ignore. I pretty much ignore about 80% of the threads in the O-Club because I can tell simply from the title that I have no interest in them and certainly not enough time to read them all anyway.

For example I skipped right over "Need Paintballing Advice". I don't know anything about Paintball and I have no desire to play. Easy, isn't it?

OTOH, I KNEW from experience this thread would interest me.

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Maybe you guys should sign up 5000 Euro players. It'd surely change the cultural dominance on the BBS. :lol
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« Reply #68 on: March 17, 2004, 08:36:30 AM »
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Everyone's an expert on OUR politics. Norwegians, Swedes, Finns, Danes, etc., all know more than we do and feel free to instruct us.


Best thing you said in anwhile here. More of this spirit!



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« Reply #69 on: March 17, 2004, 08:44:55 AM »
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LOL, Santa.


Post what you like about Fogh Rasmussen and Lykketoft. I'll bet you have a very private thread. The Americans aren't going to join in because:

1. No one cares about Danish politics here because it won't affect us in any serious way.

2. Danish politics get little if any world news coverage. Thus, there's not much for anyone but a Dane to say simply due to lack of information.


I bet you said that last week about the Spanish too.

And last year about the French.

Right now you're saying it about British politics; but should the political scene in Britain change (we too, have elections); I imagine this board will be full of how Britain is full of cowards too.

Your viewpoint is very common: If it's not American it's of no interest. In the light of the frequent reactions of shocked surprise at other countries political descions; that view point seems a bit short sighted.

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« Reply #70 on: March 17, 2004, 09:46:23 AM »
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Maybe you guys should sign up 5000 Euro players. It'd surely change the cultural dominance on the BBS. :lol


Somone has...it's called IL2 FB, probably way more than 5,000 btw, wonder what sales of that thing are by now anyway.

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« Reply #71 on: March 17, 2004, 10:47:08 AM »
Anyway, going back to the topic... UK/Europe AH BBS, yes, I would very much like one so I can learn about our European cousins in great detail, although it'll prolly end up being hijacked!  That might sound a bit rosy but I would really like to learn about other European's thoughts on their countries, customs, good and bad stuff... oh, and their sheep! :)
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« Reply #72 on: March 17, 2004, 10:48:29 AM »
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Everyone's an expert on OUR politics. Norwegians, Swedes, Finns, Danes, etc., all know more than we do and feel free to instruct us.  


Well said.

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« Reply #73 on: March 17, 2004, 10:52:23 AM »
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Somone has...it's called IL2 FB, probably way more than 5,000 btw, wonder what sales of that thing are by now anyway.


Can't talk politics over on their BB, they will ban you. UBI is a French company. Love the sim though...when ever new version is released it's always a hot topic.

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« Reply #74 on: March 17, 2004, 10:56:04 AM »
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Anyway, going back to the topic... UK/Europe AH BBS, yes, I would very much like one so I can learn about our European cousins in great detail, although it'll prolly end up being hijacked!  That might sound a bit rosy but I would really like to learn about other European's thoughts on their countries, customs, good and bad stuff... oh, and their sheep! :)


Your prolly right Euros hijacked this one from Americans....I really wanted to learn more about our mountain goats.:rofl