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Offline Frogm4n

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« Reply #75 on: March 18, 2004, 11:25:04 AM »
they can make any car today have better gas milage. But they dont because it would cost the Corp money. Costs the consumer in the long run with gas prices, but most people would rather pay 2k less for a huge suv now then have one of the same size with better gas milage and save them 50 bucks a week for the life of the car.

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« Reply #76 on: March 18, 2004, 11:27:22 AM »
froggie... with your decades long experiance with the internal combustion engine... perhaps you could explain exactly how you could get more gas milage out of any engine?

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« Reply #77 on: March 18, 2004, 11:30:39 AM »
They can make any size car or suv with a gas electric; but if people really think they need a SUV to commute to work everyday by all means go ahead and blow 50 or 100 bucks a week.

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« Reply #78 on: March 18, 2004, 11:34:56 AM »
**** the grandkids, I'm cold NOW!

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« Reply #79 on: March 18, 2004, 11:42:08 AM »
a "gas electric"??  Have you driven one of those things?  Like most new cars are not boring enough!   Perfect little socialist mobile for the brave new world eh?

No... let it all go to hell and then when about half the folks die off there will be plenty for the survivors to start over with.

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« Reply #80 on: March 18, 2004, 01:55:41 PM »
Yea i drive a prius.

My noodle is quite large so i dont feel the need to drive a car with a v8 that i dont need to get where im going.

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« Reply #81 on: March 18, 2004, 04:38:41 PM »
well I for one hate this warming trend...

whether or not it's 'global warming' due to mankind will be up for debate but that's not the point.

too frikkin' hot and not enough water.  drought - city ahead.

ok that and the fargin' ski slopes close to early lately and the fly fishing dries up ... ugh

in fact, the term 'air conditioner' was a joke up here...
now they're becoming common :(


however... I don't want an ice-age either.. man I'd hate to have  to move to Fla.. eeeeek

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« Reply #82 on: March 18, 2004, 04:42:15 PM »
oh yeah.. and the "gas electric" cars... lol

there was a free use one in Aspen this summer...
no wanted to drive it!  

why?   sucked trying to go uphill.   That and the the fact that every guy that drove it is now a monk.. well..     self-explanitory

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« Reply #83 on: March 18, 2004, 05:20:29 PM »
Lazs,

Sometimes you make sense and sometimes you're way off your rocker.  In this case you are way off your rocker.

My roommate bought a 2004 Prius (the new kind) and it is a fine car.  Its acceleration is quite comparable with other mid size cars, it gets 55mpg and it emits far less polution.  What exactly is the problem with that?  How is that, oooh bogeyman word, "socialist"?


Rip,

Conservatives love to make that kind of claim all the time but never back it up.  Furthermore they latch onto the heavy mionority of researchers who say global climate change isn't happening, may not happen or will not be as severe as thought and  try to portary the issue as massively up in the air.

The fact of the matter is that peer review is far, far more effective at culling the crap out than you give it credit.  Futhermore, funding fights don't carry anything like the weight into research conclusions that you are insinuating.


Let me put it this way:

If we don't go into Iraq and he has WMD that he uses on us we get hurt bad.
If we don't go into Iraq and he doesn't have WMD we don't get hurt.
If we go into Iraq and he has WMD we stop him from hurting us and spend some money.
If we go into Iraq and he doesn't have WMD then we've only spent money we didn't have to.

Is the same formula (minus the war and dying bits) as this:

If global climate change is happening and we don't act to mitigate it we get hurt bad.
If global climate change is not happening and we don't act we don't get hurt.
If we act to mitigate global climate change and it is happening, then we spend money and get hurt less.
If we act to mitigate global climate change and it is not happening, then we spend money that we didn't have to.


Of course the ironic part is that if we do act to mitigate it and are successful, the Conservatives will crow about how it was never happening and use as evidence the fact that it didn't happen.  See Y2K for reference.
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« Reply #84 on: March 18, 2004, 05:27:16 PM »
Karnak
 I think Laz's protest are more along the lines of some people wanting to ban anything but cars like the prius.

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« Reply #85 on: March 18, 2004, 05:31:51 PM »
Karnac, thank you for making absolute sense.

good on you.

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« Reply #86 on: March 18, 2004, 05:32:39 PM »
maybe nostalgics will simulate the combustion sounds when electrics become more performant.
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« Reply #87 on: March 18, 2004, 05:37:28 PM »
I'm sorry if this sounds like an american bash but it's people living up to stereotypes...

Americans do love fast, big, gas guzzling cars...don't they?

and they like painting fire stripes on them too (not sure why)

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« Reply #88 on: March 18, 2004, 05:43:32 PM »
Revells yes we do and guns too.


You know I just had a funny though... some of you guys scream about the patriot act cause it is infringing on your rights.



But if the rights infringing comes from envirnmental legislations you are happy to give it away....


Interesting.

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« Reply #89 on: March 18, 2004, 05:45:03 PM »
Rav
 I am sure you will never understand cool flames on a car, your English after all. :D