Spanish Election

[Pepe]

Originally posted by CyranoAH
In the council elections the socialist party obtained more votes than the popular party. Just saying...

And in catalonia... well, catalonia has always voted socialist so no contest there.

Daniel

PD: Que noo que no nos vamos a poner de acuerdo Pepe Si me he equivocado votando a ZP (el tiempo lo dirá) seré el primero en admitirlo, no se me caen los anillos.

Not trying to convince, but to show that it is not true that Popular Party would lose the elections without the bombs.

Council and Autonomous Government Elections were won by Popular Party....remember D'Ont rules.  Socialists lost the elections, and, very mainly, Madrid Community, precisely when Irak, Prestige protesters were wildest. So, bearing this in mind, and what polls showed a day before the bombs, It is not true that Socialists would have won anyway. Of course, neither you nor me have proof on this.  

I used to think Catalonia used to vote Convergencia i Unió (conservative) last 20 years ...maybe I'm wrong.

Daniel, I'm not trying to convince anyone. I accept the results as they come. But my respect to democratic rules is no less than the one I profess to truth. So I won't pass the liar accusations, because they are simply false. A manipulation. And it makes me sad because it is the very first sign that Socialist Party has not change after 8 years in opposition.

I would give you that Popular Party "style" had become very arrogant as of lately, and I like the change exclusively for that. Moreover, I will be the first to show admiration to Zapatero if he is able to separate himself from the horrible, villain and absolutely shameful way of "governing" we suffer with the last Socialist Legislature. It would be very hard, and very bad for all, he could make it even worse.

A tí no se te caen los anillos, y yo, que no tengo....  

[Glasses]

Me thinks the next target would be Italy.  Perfect timing BTW as I'm heading to Rome in April  

Anyhow I do think this election was helped by the opposition by the terrorist bombings. I do wish other European nations don't lose the ball bearing because we need all the help we can  have to erradicate these scum off the face of the earth

[NUKE]

As someone has said here, the election is not the disturbing news to me but rather it is that the new government's announcement that they are pulling out of Iraq, on the heels of the attacks. This to me is a very bad judgment call by the new leadership.......one that makes it seem as though Spain is buckling to terrorism.

[Eagler]

Spanish Socialist = American Democrat = bb balls

[gatt]

IIRC, the "pulling out" of Iraq was in the election program of the new leader.

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by CyranoAH
Yep it sends a clear message all right, but from some americans to the spanish people. It goes: "We don't care about your politics and we form our opinions without any consideration about what happens in your country".

You can say it louder, but not clearer.

Daniel

Daniel, your people will reap what you sew in your own political landscape as is the same for us come November.  Unfortunately, your prime minister elect would not have gotten in had it not been for the actions of the a group of cowards. (bombing)  I sincerely hope that he does your country right, but have my doubts.  Personally I think he has less of a clue than does Aristide before he was ousted...

[CyranoAH]

Personally, and while I voted for him (as I said, I'm a firm believer of alternancy), I think he should have postponed the statement about withdrawing the troops from iraq, as it sent a wrong message, even if he had promised it months before the bombings.

Daniel

[Naso]

Originally posted by Pepe
. How in the world can anyone with more than one functional brain cell expect that the government could hide any bit of substantial information for any amount of time? No, thanks, I don't believe it.
 

You need to study some Italian History, years '70-'80.

Ustica.

Bologna.

Italicus.

Aldo Moro.

Gladio

Just some of the keywords.

[_Schadenfreude_]

Originally posted by mosgood
ya...I would also like to find (if possible) an internet based news source that doesn't have the standard americanized filters.  Would be interesting....

the BBC is not bad for all it's faults - they've managed to piss off every British Gov that has been in powers for about 75 years so they must be doing something right

[Naso]

Originally posted by stiehl
I would think that they would pick a country that has more of an impact on the occupation in terms of troops.

BY THE NUMBERS Troops in Iraq
 
Which countries have provided military support

United States 120,000  

Britain 11,000

Italy 3,000

Sources: Reuters news reports/GlobalSecurity.org.
 

I did'nt knew we was the 3rd nation in absolute numbers there.

I quoted the post as a remainder for the people here that have an "extreme" position regarding any country other than UK.

I disagree with this war since the beginning, I support our troops and the decision made to lend an hand to our ally, and to the civil population of Iraq, but, in the same time I want my government to pressure on the U.S.A. to hand as soon as possible this mess in the hand of the ONU, and/or of the Iraqis themselves, and push out.

In my view, and many other Italian voters, Iraq war is not the same stuff than Afgani war.

Anyway, again, like you (amurricans ) have done after Nassiryia, you are screaming for a retire that yet have to happen, and maybe will happen only when the correct time will come.

Let's wait and see whats bring the future.

[Sixpence]

I blame the liberal media