It still hurts...

[Tumor]

I am steadfastly against abortion, unless you want to have one.

[Frogm4n]

Originally posted by Eagler
I think you mean anti-abortists right?

there are some medical procedures, as need in Texaces case, which would be allowed even if abortion as we know it today would be outlawed as it should

you think the doc would stand by and watch the mother die?

I am sure a there would be plenty that would try to save the mother during childbirth, but by then it would be too late. If you outlaw all abortion their will be a black market for it. It is better that we are realistic about it.

Did the partial birth abortion ban allow for such things? I cannot remember.

[Eagler]

no, it would be determined earlier in the pregnacy just as it is now and measures up to termination of the pregnacy, would be performed in order to save the mothers life just as they are now

the other >+80% of the abortions would be illegal

[gofaster]

Originally posted by Eagler
I think you mean anti-abortists right?

Yeah.

[slimm50]

Texace, how is your girlfriend doing? Well, I hope? Generally I'm considered to be in the anti-abortion crowd because I think all life, even that of a fetus, is precious and should not be treated as an inconvenience. Having said that, I agree there are times when abortion is the lesser of the evil choices a doctor must make. Tex, you're a good man, and I pray (I'm a Believer) you and your girlfriend come out of this better and stronger people.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Frogm4n
I If you outlaw all abortion their will be a black market for it. It is better that we are realistic about it.

Just like when we outlawed all murder and yet there has still been a market for it. I guess we should not have outlawed murder...it makes no sense to outlaw it because people are going to do it anyway....right?

[Silat]

Originally posted by LAWCobra
My ex-wife had an abortion while we were married.
Thats all fine and dandy exept i did not know about it!

She lied to the DRs and told them she was single.

So now im 46 and will never have a child.
waite a minute I did have a child once.

You see where im going with this.
It may be a womans right to choose.
But at what point do the fathers of these babies have a say so?

Your rights end at her skin...

[texace]

She is doing well, better than she was. Emotionally, though, we're both still not the same as we were beforehand.

I appreciate the support. I still wish there was something more I could have done, but at that point, I didn't have anything I could do. I had said that if there was only a slight chance, then I'd suggest going for it. But the docs told me serious or definate, and at that point I left it up to her.

[hawker238]

I'm deeply sorry for your tragedies, and I only hope I could be half the man you are faced with the same situation.

[LAWCobra]

Originally posted by Silat
Your rights end at her skin...

Well unfoutunatly you are right.
I see a huge problem with that.

[Capt. Pork]

Originally posted by LAWCobra
Well unfoutunatly you are right.
I see a huge problem with that.

If it concerns her body, and her well-being, then your say-so in the matter is strictly for tourists. I'm not a liberal. I'm not a democrat, but I firmly believe that a woman should make the choice. All you did was relieve yourself into her. She has to take the burden from there in on.

[LAWCobra]

Originally posted by Capt. Pork
If it concerns her body, and her well-being, then your say-so in the matter is strictly for tourists. I'm not a liberal. I'm not a democrat, but I firmly believe that a woman should make the choice. All you did was relieve yourself into her. She has to take the burden from there in on.

You seem to forget that she did not create that life by herself!
Therefore the man should have some rights in the matter.
And if there married even more so.

[Capt. Pork]

Originally posted by LAWCobra
You seem to forget that she did not create that life by herself!
Therefore the man should have some rights in the matter.
And if there married even more so.

Okay, since you're about to educate me, why don't you start by telling me exactly what you did above and beyond relieving yourself into her? Whether it be by accident or by your choice? And what bearing does this relieving have on your life for the next nine months... we're not even discussing the rest of your mortal existance.

[LAWCobra]

Well You should have learned this in sex ed LOL.
Buit here goes.
Her egg Is worthless without my little swimmers agreed.
And for the most part in America MEN do most of the supporting of the families provides there home there food there education exspenses.

So I think the man does have something to do with the child.
And I would like you to tell all the fathers here how there only contribution to there children was relieving them selves inside there mothers.

Most men Atleast Most REAL men take a  very active part in rasing of there kids incuding the 1am feedind chitty diapers and all.

So yes just as GOD planes it creating and rasing a child Is best done by a MAN and a woman.

[capt. apathy]

I'm am very firm in my stance against 'abortion on demand'.

 but I can't imagine any but the most rabid political types who would want to interfere in the decision you and your girlfriend faced.  the situation is hard enough without any outsiders trying to lay some sort of fluffied up judgement on your decision.

all I can say is I really regret your loss, I can't imagine your pain.