Author Topic: Explain this to me please. (Read 1603 times)

cpxxx · « **Reply #30 on:** March 26, 2004, 05:50:58 PM »

On the tax issue. Cutting corporate tax might increase employment. But it won't prevent jobs moving overseas. The only way jobs won't move overseas is for everyone's standard of living to drop with lower wages for all. That won't happen so low tech jobs and some hi tech jobs will go.

Now I speak as someone with an interest because I work for a big American company who located some operations to Ireland because of a low corporate tax regime and relatively lower wages. After working there for 6 years I still get less than than a new hire in the USA doing the same job. (Prices are higher here too )

In the Far East wages are even lower. It's pure economics. Any company that does not set up in low wage ecomonies will be undercut by those who do. That's the it's going to be.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #31 on:** March 26, 2004, 06:03:37 PM »

No cpxxx...

The commisar, wait I mean the party secretary, no, no, no, I mean the president can change the laws of economics....

Vote Kerry!!!

Ok thats a cheapshot, sorry. But seriously I dont see how Kerry's recently announced manipulations of tax laws and incentive schemese will do a single thing to stem the flow of manufacturing jobs abroad. And frankly I dont think we should try. That sector is no longer in a position of compartative advantage to the usa, and restructiring fiscal policy to encourage and support an outdated ineffiocent sector will only lead to disaster.

Coolridr · « **Reply #32 on:** March 26, 2004, 06:18:33 PM »

sixpence...you realize that the IOWA made it to the west coast quite some time ago?

NUKE · « **Reply #33 on:** March 26, 2004, 06:24:52 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
"war hero"?

What kind of crap is this? If someone were to call Joe Foss or Chuck Yeager a "war hero" complete with the sarcastic quotation marks you conservatives would be up in arms. This is BS Eagler... did he serve his country or not? Was he decorated or not? His politics are beside the point.... this "war hero" **** really pisses me off!

Kerry got 3 purple hearts and a Silver Star all in his 4 month "tour of duty". I think Kerry should reslease his medical records like he wanted Bush to release his Guard records. I mean, what kind of injuries did he sustain?

How was he so wounded yet also able return to so soon in each case? What did he have, some bruises, a paper cut and a headache or something?

Eagler · « **Reply #34 on:** March 26, 2004, 06:48:01 PM »

He's a "WAR HERO" darn it!!!

just threw that in there to raise MT's BP a couple of points

Gunslinger · « **Reply #35 on:** March 26, 2004, 07:32:40 PM »

no one seems to realize that the "outsourceing" issues is completly blown out of proportions.

The US has lost 300,000 Jobs overseas over the last 3 YEARS....

Only 300,000 jobs......out of a workforce of somthing like at least 20 million that dosent sound like much to me Nuke if you want to read about kerry's scratches...err purple hearts here's a good source http://www.usvetdsp.com/kerry_pur_hrts.htm

His broze star he got for coming under fire beaching his boat and shooting a wounded VC. NO watermelon its in the citation

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #36 on:** March 26, 2004, 09:14:11 PM »

I'd like to add a few points if no one minds. Err, I suppose liberals will mind though.

1.) Outsourcing is a good thing. If all of the jobs were to be kept in the US, the company would only be able to hire 1/5 of what it hires oversees, it would have to pay a total of 5x what it pays in payroll right now. So basically, 1/5 of the Unemployed as of right now, will be employed. But everything will cost roughly 4x more. So it doesn't matter if they are employed or not, they won't be able to buy anything. Neither would those who had jobs anyway.

2.) What Kerry says he wants to do is clearly underlined and in bold of all economics books of **WHAT NOT TO DO** in a recession. His plan will lower the GDP by roughly 1 trillion dollars. And this is not a good thing in a recession. It will most likely lead to incredible amounts of Unemployment, not to mention a recession that would be 2x worse then the one Clinton gave us.

3.) Kerry, right now, wants to severely increase the taxes of those who are rich. And a rich person is someone who makes 50k dollars or more a year. Just see if you follow this logic. Kerry wants to increase the tax on the people who spend the most into the economy.

Woo! Kerry for president. I always wondered what it was like to live in the Great Depression.

Woah Gunslinger.

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His broze star he got for coming under fire beaching his boat and shooting a wounded VC. NO watermelon its in the citation

First off, it was a silver star. Second, he didn't come under fire.

NUKE · « **Reply #37 on:** March 26, 2004, 09:34:01 PM »

Kerry won a bronze star, silver star and 3 purple hearts in 4 months and managed to only miss 2 days total for his injuries.

The following demonstrates just how much of a "war hero" Kerry is:

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Lt. John F. Kerry first served in Vietnam from December 1967 to June 1968, far away from combat. He returned to Vietnam in December 1968. He received his first Purple Heart in January 1969, his second Purple Heart in February 1969 and the third Purple Heart in March 1969. He has stated that two of his Purple Hearts were of the "walking wounded" type which did not cause him to lose a day's work. A third wound caused him to miss two days of work.

After the third Purple Heart, Kerry found a Navy regulation that allowed him to request immediate reassignment out of Vietnam. With his three Purple Heart,s he rotated out of the Vietnam in April 1969. He was 100 percent able to carry on with the mission but instead the lieutenant bugged out after a little more than four months in country. Kerry later took medals and ribbons and threw them away. He later stated the medals belonged to another veteran.

Coolridr · « **Reply #38 on:** March 26, 2004, 09:51:42 PM »

I still think he's too ugly to be president:D

vorticon · « **Reply #39 on:** March 26, 2004, 10:18:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
You just don't get it. Most of these people pay almost NOTHING in taxes already. Cut 0 in as many pieces as you want... it's still 0.

so what...they still think there getting a break and therefore will vote for him...wich is all that really matters in an election...you all act like there going to keep any of there promises

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Kerry, right now, wants to severely increase the taxes of those who are rich. And a rich person is someone who makes 50k dollars or more a year. Just see if you follow this logic. Kerry wants to increase the tax on the people who spend the most into the economy.

mmmhmm...if 50k a year makes a person rich then something is severly wrong...i always went with the fairly common sense assumption of...

0-35k = poor
35-40k=lower middle class
45-75k- middle class
75-100k = upper middle class
100k+ = rich

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #40 on:** March 26, 2004, 11:05:39 PM »

Making 100K plus dont make you "rich" in the san francisco bay area. It's all relative. Thats why these Democratic calls against tax cuts for "the rich" are so absurd.

Capt. Pork · « **Reply #41 on:** March 26, 2004, 11:16:56 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Making 100K plus dont make you "rich" in the san francisco bay area. It's all relative. Thats why these Democratic calls against tax cuts for "the rich" are so absurd.

I agree completely.

My dad works eighty hour weeks with a triple bypass and a titanium heart valve in his chest and gets to give half of it away to 'needy' people. He's a doctor, and yet he gets taxed like he's the president of Blue-Cross-Blue-Shield.

I know that he's not alone.

NUKE · « **Reply #42 on:** March 26, 2004, 11:18:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
I agree completely.

My dad works eighty hour weeks with a triple bypass and a titanium heart valve in his chest and gets to give half of it away to 'needy' people. He's a doctor, and yet he gets taxed like he's the president of Blue-Cross-Blue-Shield.

I know that he's not alone.

yeah, but liberals and bums need his money in order to support even more liberals and bums.

Capt. Pork · « **Reply #43 on:** March 26, 2004, 11:22:15 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
yeah, but liberals and bums need his money in order to support even more liberals and bums.

Too true.

Still better than he was treated in Russia, where he developed the heart problems. At least here he's free to open a private clinic and then get bombarded by the subsequent complaints of pandering to the elite by asking for money for services.

What the hell are you gonna do?

_Schadenfreude_ · « **Reply #44 on:** March 27, 2004, 01:56:59 AM »

Interesting article from this guy:

Robert Buzzanco is associate professor of History at the University of Houston and author of Masters of War: Military Dissent and Politics in the Vietnam Era, and Vietnam and the Transformation of American Life

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/comment/story/0,14259,1179306,00.html