Author Topic: No Guiness for Lazs :) (Read 1575 times)

Maniac · « **Reply #75 on:** March 29, 2004, 02:56:03 PM »

I blame Bush.

Maniac · « **Reply #76 on:** March 29, 2004, 02:58:09 PM »

By the way, lets ban cars, motorbikes etc etc too... way to bad for our health...

Atleast in the crowded citys...

Horn · « **Reply #77 on:** March 29, 2004, 02:59:14 PM »

http://www.davehitt.com/facts/

I was suprised that after hearing for years of the "dangers" of second hand smoke, apparently there isn't the danger "they" said it was. Read the EPA reports in the link. Interesting stuff.

I still would like folks to smoke elsewhere when I'm eating, but then I was that way back when I smoked.

h

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #78 on:** March 29, 2004, 03:08:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Tarmac
So when a government legislates to take away a bar owner's freedom to allow or not allow smoking in his privately owned establishment, that's be wrong, right?

DING DING DING DING! WINNAH!
-SW

strk · « **Reply #79 on:** March 29, 2004, 03:23:35 PM »

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Originally posted by capt. apathy
I don't think it should be banned all together. it's just taken to stupid levels.

I agree on the smoking sections though, they just don't work. a bar or resturaunt should have to either provid a seperate smoking area (with ventilation and sealed doors to truely prevent the smoke from drifting), or declair the whole establishment as smoking or non-smoking.

then you can just vote with your $$. if you prefere a smoke free environment give those places your money and they will thrive.

that sounds good to me - but what about the employees - they assume the risk by applying to work there just like a miner or a fireman? Besides I dont think 2nd hand smoke is going to hurt you much if you have contact every now and then.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #80 on:** March 29, 2004, 03:24:49 PM »

The human capacity for rationalization never fails to be entertaining.

Any sport on the water or on snow puts you and others at risk. If you do either and complain about cigarette smokers, then I surmise you are being hypocritical.
Second hand smoke may kill you in 50 years, but a ski through your skull is pretty instant.

By the way, I merged the two threads together.

cpxxx · « **Reply #81 on:** March 29, 2004, 03:37:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Habu
They can still smoke in the bars in Ireland.

They just cannot smoke tobacco products.

So feel free to light up herbal cigs. Also if you have 3 people at a table smoking herbal cigs and someone fires up a tobacco cig that looks the same how will they know.

They should make a tobacco cig that has 1 inch of tobacco then the rest herbal to really screw up the enforcement of this ban.

That's true and I bet someone will try it. But have you ever smelt one of those herbal cigarettes. uuuugh. There's another kind of 'herbal' cigarette which is smoked in one or two bars. Illegal in a different kind of way.

I haven't ventured into a pub since the ban but I was in a Bookies. They used to be worse than anywhere else. I think someone was having a crafty studmuffin in the bog

(err.. smoking a cigarette in the toilet). But otherwise it was clear. I did have a bet.....the stupid horse is still running. Bah they should ban gambling too.

But the smoking ban here is quite popular. I'm glad even if it has implications for a nanny state. I used to hate the smokey smell after a night out. Ironically this government is right of centre in general. Low tax and inclined to take on the unions and the left. Big business friendly too. But they're going out on a limb with this ban.

Most pubs are finding a way around it by having an open area out the back or somewhere with heat lamps and such. One has a double decker bus in the car park for smokers.

As an interesting point cops can't smoke in their squad cars either. If you see one you could report him and he would get a 3k fine.

beet1e · « **Reply #82 on:** March 29, 2004, 03:51:53 PM »

cpxxx - are you in Eire or Ulster?

lazs2 · « **Reply #83 on:** March 29, 2004, 04:12:37 PM »

yes curval... I do think it is a "nanny" law... I don't believe the rest of us have the right to vote on wether a private establishment allows smoking or not. If you want to nanny and "vote" then vote with your dollars and don't patronize smoking establishments or....

if smoking is as horrible as everyone claims.... ban it alltogether along with other dangerous things like swimming and boating.

how long before the cig laws hit your little island curval? How far behind us are you.

lazs

AKcurly · « **Reply #84 on:** March 29, 2004, 04:19:43 PM »

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Lazs said:
uhhh... I don't smoke or drink.

Sorry Lazs, I wasn't jerking your chain about drink or cigarets, rather your disdain for laws which meddle with public behavior.

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Tarmac said:
But it's not a public place. Bars and restaurants are privately owned places, that the owner has decided to offer an open invitation into.

and Iron
I have to back down on private bars, owners should be able to decide if there will be smoking even though those are open to the public.

There is no such thing as a private bar or restaurant unless it is operated in someones home.

Bars/restaurants avail themselves of roads, garbage disposal, mail delivery, power and police services, all made available (at least initially) by good old John Q. Public.

John Q has every right to decide on matters which affect him.

Decisions made by the majority with builtin protection for the minorities. That's the way it works.

curly

cpxxx · « **Reply #85 on:** March 29, 2004, 04:28:52 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
cpxxx - are you in Eire or Ulster?

Ireland, Republic of. Dublin in fact. The law doesn't apply to Northern Ireland. But it wouldn't surprise me if they copied the idea. It might be a test case for the rest of the UK. Publicans near the border worry that smokers in the Republic will go north for a smoke. But perhaps the non smokers will head south. LOL. One town actually straddles the border with pubs on both sides. That will be interesting.

Tarmac · « **Reply #86 on:** March 29, 2004, 04:29:26 PM »

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Originally posted by AKcurly
There is no such thing as a private bar or restaurant unless it is operated in someones home.

Bars/restaurants avail themselves of roads, garbage disposal, mail delivery, power and police services, all made available (at least initially) by good old John Q. Public.

John Q has every right to decide on matters which affect him.

Decisions made by the majority with builtin protection for the minorities. That's the way it works.

curly

Please explain the difference between your definitions of public and private then. Mine is simple -- if it's paid for by public money, it is public. If it's paid for by private money, it's private.

"Bars/restaurants avail themselves of roads, garbage disposal, mail delivery, power and police services, all made available (at least initially) by good old John Q. Public."

By that definition, every house in a city is also public. My house is connected to public roads, makes use of public garbage disposal (incidentally, most businesses have private trash disposal companies), my house has a private mailbox, and uses semi-public power and public police services. You don't propose to legislate against smoking there, do you?

Your definition makes no sense.

lazs2 · « **Reply #87 on:** March 29, 2004, 06:12:52 PM »

beat me to it Tarmac... of course your house is connected to public roads and sewer and garbage and sometimes even to another residence. cig smoke can emit from your windows and kill a child that is passing by.

but curly you are right... I am indeed against laws that meddle with human rights... That includes laws that are passed by the "majority" to discriminate against the"minority".

What is right is right and you shouldn't be allowed to vote on it.

For instance.. I don't believe it is our right to vote to send all blacks to africa. do you? It's not a matter of what the majority wants it is about intrinsic rights... like the right to defend yourself and your property and to use your property in any way that you see fit that does not endanger inocent bystanders.

A sign warning people that entering the establishment will certainly risk smelling and dieing from second hand smoke should be more than sufficient for any adult.

lazs

Airhead · « **Reply #88 on:** April 01, 2004, 05:39:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Maniac
By the way, lets ban cars, motorbikes etc etc too... way to bad for our health...

Atleast in the crowded citys...

LOL As a matter of fact banning automibles would be too impractical- so what we've done is required them to be less polluting and, thus, less harmful. Costs the auto manufactuers billions, too. I'm surprised you never heard of the EPA.

Lizking · « **Reply #89 on:** April 01, 2004, 06:07:30 PM »

Blah, blah, blah, Mommy will take care of you, Blah,blahh,blah

fluff'n sheeps all of you.

'cept Laz.