Kerry: Does it bother the lefties that he's a practicing Catholic?

[strk]

Originally posted by Eagler
fastest "war hero" in the west - LOL (watch ur BP MT:))

I would think medals were probably a dime a dozen in an attempt to sell the war, if not to joe hippie public then to the soldiers. For ANYONE to get as many medals as mini-jfk did as quickly as did for the actions & "injuries" he encountered dilutes what they would otherwise represent

anyone who can't see they as his entire involvement in the service was just another page in his political resume is blinded by bush hate

but he is the PERFECT representative for the left as he is all that one hundred fold, before you pass the ketchup

You know you are talking about a person who probably could have avoided nam like your boy king did.  

You want to denounce Kerry because he went to war "for his resume" when Bush* avoided like a little sissy?  

man you have a lot of nerve belittling somone's combat performance.  

I assume you have some combat experience to give you such great perspective.  Tell us, with whom did you serve your country?  When did you go in harm's way for America?

I suspect your idea of combat is that which we experience in AH.  That isnt combat.  

 Anyone who would think that Kerrys service, or anyone else's, was pure politics has no idea what those mn went through.  

You have belittled the very men who fought for your country.  Noone risks more or gives greater sacrifice than these men.  And you do so to make your political "point"

Shame on you

[Suave]

Originally posted by myelo
In 7 states it's illegal for atheists to hold public office as per the States' constitutions.

America doesn't want the "Godless" irreligous. America doesn't like us, and it doesn't let us forget it, we're reminded of it everyday. Unfortunately for people like me there are no secular countries that are free.

[cpxxx]

What Strk said and I must say I find criticism of Kerry's war record surprising particularly given the tenor of many on this board in being pro military and knowledgeable about the subject.

Criticising Kerry for going home after four months combat  is just asinine. He was wounded twice, minor to be sure. But a minor wound is just inches away from dead. Only the most foolish or brave wouldn't let that effect them.
I've read quite a few Vietnam memoirs. The period interests me and I'm going to Vietnam later this year in part because of this interest.
But the one consistent theme through them all for combat veterans is the sheer desire to get home in one piece. Being wounded and getting home was another.  On top of that junior officers tended to suffer the highest casualty rate in that war, indeed any war.  

Ask any Vietnam veteran you know 'Would you have gone home if you could after a couple of months of combat?'. You don't need to because you know the answer already.

It is hypocritical to criticise Kerry for that. He fought in the war and when he left the Navy fought against it. Many a vet took that line. It was a bad war.  

What is striking is that he retains the respect of the men who served with him.    

Frankly I don't criticise Bush for avoiding the war either. Which he did. There can be no doubt about that. Many Americans did, the joined the Guard or found a 'medical' reason to get out of it. Anyone with a bit of intelligence found a tech job that kept them out of the line. It was not like WW2 and interestingly I believe not like the current situation in Iraq or Afghanistan where many believe in what the US is doing.  

I think you should save your bile for his politics. That is what the election is about at the end of the day.

As an outsider with a strong interest in Amercan politics. My opinion is that both will face problems with the economy next year after the election. If Kerry wins he'll blame Bush's policies. If Bush wins he might have to raise taxes just like his dad.

[Eagler]

nope - did not serve but can spot a snow job a mile away

for mini-jfk to called a "war-hero" belittles our true ones

edit:
yes, his military record should be kept out but he is the one who put it in - thinking it would serve him in his politics

McCain was a hero. If his service did not get him the WH, mini-jfks most certainly won't

[Naso]

Originally posted by Suave
America doesn't want the "Godless" irreligous. America doesn't like us, and it doesn't let us forget it, we're reminded of it everyday. Unfortunately for people like me there are no secular countries that are free.

Well, here, in the land of the Pope, religion is not an issue in politic.

Since being or not being religious add and subtract the same amount of votes, our politics have resolved to not use the religion card.

I can even affirm that this is a secular country where an atheist is just another citizen.

All the rest is a mess, tho

[Suave]

Yeah, if I could live in any country in the world I think I'd pick Switzerland. It's secular, it's beautifull, it's a direct democracy, very low crime, taxes aren't bad, and gun ownership is not only legal, it's encouraged.

[mora]

Grown up men are fighting over religion, quite amazing considering that you are the most advanced country in the world. Is there even any "true believers" amongst you?

[strk]

Originally posted by Eagler
nope - did not serve but can spot a snow job a mile away

for mini-jfk to called a "war-hero" belittles our true ones

edit:
yes, his military record should be kept out but he is the one who put it in - thinking it would serve him in his politics

McCain was a hero. If his service did not get him the WH, mini-jfks most certainly won't

I didnt think you had worn your country's uniform.  What right do you have to judge anyone who did?

BTW I like McCain too, didnt you see what Bush* did to him in the 2000 repub primary?  Said he 1. fathered a black child (he adopted), his wife was a drug addict, he is mentally unstable b/c of his POW time - this is freaking UNFORGIVABLE imo.  but typical of Bush* - and now you want to be the same way.  Why dont you sit down and think about it a little?

Oh, and McCain has come to Kerry's defense on this issue, did you miss that too?

also - JFK also served in the USN as you know.  Wore the uniform of our country in combat.  That counts for something imo but to you its just a stepping stone in their political career??  it is so obvious you have no idea what you are spewing about

mini-JFK indeed.  I will take a combat veteran any day over some chicken hawk who wants war but wants others to do the fighting a la Bush*, Cheney, Limbaugh, Buchanan etc.  lol

[Eagler]

Originally posted by strk
I didnt think you had worn your country's uniform.  What right do you have to judge anyone who did?

so I can't judge anyone or anything I haven't been myself?

were you POTUS? how can you judge bush then? LOL

I can spot a quack and mini-jfk is a big liberal duck, as big a duck and liberal as they come

[strk]

Originally posted by Eagler
so I can't judge anyone or anything I haven't been myself?

were you POTUS? how can you judge bush then? LOL

I can spot a quack and mini-jfk is a big liberal duck, as big a duck and liberal as they come

you missed the point (I am not suprised at this) - or you are dishonestly trying to say I said something I didnt.

You attacked his military service for your own political ends.  I say you are out of line for doing so.  And you are.  

military service and combat is not what you are experiencing behind your computer with a joystick in your hand,

I do not care that you think he is a liberal or that you think liberals are evil.  Maybe you should work 7 days a week to avoid that evil weekend that liberals and unions brought you.  

Your head is fully inserted my friend.  If/when you finally pull it out you might want to get a handi-wipe so you can open your eyes

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Eagler
fastest "war hero" in the west - LOL (watch ur BP MT:))

I would think medals were probably a dime a dozen in an attempt to sell the war, if not to joe hippie public then to the soldiers. For ANYONE to get as many medals as mini-jfk did as quickly as did for the actions & "injuries" he encountered dilutes what they would otherwise represent

anyone who can't see they as his entire involvement in the service was just another page in his political resume is blinded by bush hate

but he is the PERFECT representative for the left as he is all that one hundred fold, before you pass the ketchup

You may not be blind Eagler, but it would seem that you did do "it" until you needed really strong glasses.

[straffo]

Actually MT when a blind speak of blindess I thing he's just sharing his own experience.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Suave
Yeah, if I could live in any country in the world I think I'd pick Switzerland. It's secular, it's beautifull, it's a direct democracy, very low crime, taxes aren't bad, and gun ownership is not only legal, it's encouraged.

What's stopping ya?

[strk]

Great sig line AK.  Never truer.

[Eagler]

wow - you do live in a different world don't you strk

MT I needed glasses before I figured out what "it" was - legally blind sir