Cheating

[3Fingers]

Thunder and Joemud where using a documented bug tonight, You know the one where the b17s gunner bails out , but still has the ability to fire.
Anyway Joe bailed out and floated down on our runway and proceeded too rack up 30+ kills.
Now normally this wouldn't make me too mad but , I've seen Joemud do this before. he said " I just wanted to see what would happened " well he knew what would happen, he has done this before!
Even after Joe and Thunder were called cheaters on radio 1,1  they still decided to EXPLOIT THE BUG!
(my man Raxx has a film of it ) Believe me, these 2 guys knew about this bug!
I just don't want to see our sim turned into an Arcade Game by the likes of cheaters like these 2 guys, and I hope WE have the kind of COMMUNITY that won't permit this sort of Exploitation of known bugs in the
future!
BTW I thought you fixed this HT

3-Fingers

[Hristo]

They reached 43+ kills when I was online.

[JoeMud]

Hey opie Thunder said he wanted to see what would happen not me,and ya ive done it before...ONE TIME! and I didnt know what it was then and even better yet ive had guys do the same thing to me I didnt loose it on them like you did chasing us all night long and bugging the hell outta me. Btw about 37 of those kills where in the air and if you didnt wanna get shot at the feild we were trying to capture you should have stayed in the tower of came from a differnt feild instead of comeing up about 15 times like a dumby.........ok I think that covers it....oh and btw Thunder was completely new to this and it wasnt his fault point all flames at me please.

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Gijoey,Joetwo,JoeMud=me
 DHBG!!

[JoeMud]

46 kills Hristo

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Gijoey,Joetwo,JoeMud=me
 DHBG!!

[-raxx-]

One thing I want to make REAL clear.

1.  This is a beta and there are bugs which the crew at HTC are trying to sort out.  My flying tonight was to try and capture on film four problems currently outstanding.
a) gunners still able to fire from a chute.
b) kill messages not showing for the "last man standing", (usually from HO or Bomber attacks).
c) gunners streaks not resetting when shot down.
d) a minor ground handling glitch with wing damage and gear down ditches.

I had thought that the gunner bailing from a plane and retaining guns was fixed.  This may be a separate problem where a pilot bails taking the gunner with him and the gunner then retains the guns.  The old fault allowed a gunner to bail seperately and take the B17's guns, (leaving the B17 defenceless btw =).

The film shows joemud shooing down maik, (don't take this personally maik but it was a godawfull attack and my half blind grandfather coulda made the kill), then me killing the B17.  

I followed up making two non firing passes past the chute, (closest was about 150 yards), to make joemud and thunder *think* I was straffing them.  Hopefully joemud would shoot back.

He did.  My right wing parted company with the fuselage on the second pass with no tracer seen from the chute.  There's film if needed by the team at HTC.  It doesn't *prove* anything other than a bug with gunners in chutes and the kills for gunners not resetting each sortie which I'll post in the appropriate forums.

All the other stuff I don't give a rats bellybutton about.  It's 4am and I'm going to sleep.  Hopefully Pyro will lock this thread and then delete it.

[Thunder]

3fingers,
I just read your post and first it is not accurate and secondly the 46 kills joe got were and accumulation of all kills that he made in my buff. He gunned for me for about 8 hours and did not unattach. We were shot down over 24 on a bomb run and I bailed. We landed and ...YES I walked over to the end of the field. And YES joemud shot you 15 times in a row.. .. not too smart on your part. Yes HiTech needs to decide what they want to do but you failed to mention that you changed colors and followed us around and you directed your friend to us. Joemud got about 4 more to his total there too. Then to get away from you we flew under radar for 30 minutes and came up way north and you were still WHINING! I have really had it with guys like you who think they can flame & whine and don't understand ...ITS A BETA. Report it but everyone has a deferent point of view and mine is not the same as yours. You only showed me that you know how to whine and wimper. We tried to take that field 4 times and died every time trying. I guess if I was DUMB enough to keep coming up 15 times in a row I might be stupid enough to make a post like you did! Yes .. I do take your kind of dribble personally!

Thunder

[Thunder]

raxx,

I wasn't watching your passes at us, I was the pilot and we had been shot down and in the chute. But if you  stated you made 2 passes at us and were 150 out and close enough to fire I would have pulled the trigger too. If we are dead and going down ..you should have let us fall. If you were trying to staff.. you deserved to  die.  If you are trying to explore what the BETA can or can't do then it should be no harder for others to follow the smae logic for us to do what we did. HiTech is aware of the bugs or non bugs and will or won't fix them on there time and discression. But if I were in Joemuds gunner possition and you made thoughs passes I would have done the same thing until its fixed.

Thunder

[Lance]

Interesting posts, Thunder & Joemud.  Reading them, I have to wonder whether your motivations are truly to help discover bugs for HT to squash or you are more interested in exploiting them to pad your score or to get a cheap thrill from instigating the response you are getting now.

One thing that you need to keep in mind is that this product being in beta does not give you the right to exploit the bugs you find.  People don't have a problem with you finding bugs.  They have a problem with you abusing them over and over at their expense.

To sum it up, if the whining over bug exploitation troubles you so much, then by all means, quit exploiting and you won't hear it.

Gordo

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[dolomite]

Sounds like cheating to me, sugarcoat it all you like. It's a known bug, and that it wasn't fixed doesn't mean you need to rack up 15 kills on the same guys... if you are truly testing, how many times did you have to do it before you figured it out? And you call him a dummmie?

What's more, Joemud weren't you one of the Allied 190's Thursday night disrupting the Historical fight? What bug were you looking for there?  

Now I'm wondering if you might be testing a "warp-on-command" bug that many of us have seen... I guess that would be ok too, eh?

If you don't get what I'm driving at (and I suspect you might not) we have many people here playing and testing for different reasons. Simultaneously the community is building, and friendships (and in your case, enemies) are formed. If you are willing to go over the intended boundries in such an excessive and blatant manner, all in the name of making a better game, then you are doing far more damage than you realize. The thing I hate most about your "tests" is that they always have unsuspecting participants. You plop down smack in the middle of a big fight, heated emotions on both sides, and start cheating. Are you too thick headed to see people will get pi**ed off, or do you simply enjoy that thrill?

This all reminds me of Itm* of Brand W... "sure, I cheated, but I did it to improve the game". Yeah, right. Anytime your name is on the winning side of the kill buffer is now suspect.

[Thunder]

Dolomite,

No one said we were testing this! All of us are testing Aces High it and we post things about it that we observe. What HiTech does with that information is up to them. But WHAT IF they decide to leave it in...don't think so, but what if they do... is it cheating? We got wacked tonight over and over be larger numbers. I never once whined but I had a blast watching Joe frag 3fingers 15 time at the end of the runway. Sorry, you guys had 4 other fighters there and could have killed us but you didn't. I personally would never try to take off a field 15 times in a row with a gunner at the end of the runway.. I laughed my a** off ..masterful display of intelegence..or was he just testing the game    !  We didn't go out of our way to get shoot down over 24 and you could have killed us on the way down or on the  end of the runway. You had the numbers..! I don't know about the Historical thing.. wasn't there! But I do know that when I hear guys talking of warp on demand I don't give there posts much credence! Most of that has to do with connections ...NOT hackers. As for the community I've been in the online Flight Sim communities for nine years. People that know me know who and what I am...someday you might too if you got out from behind your santimonious biased postings. You seem to be setting yourself up as a self serving BS artist... Cut the Crap! The only thing we did was get shot down and walk to the end of the runway and shoot one (not so smart) pilot down 15 times.     But It was fun to watch! That simple... I wouldn't go out and deliiberaty do it but when you get shot down over hostile territory we only used resources that were available to us. I for one enjoyed the evening, sounds like you didn't! Gosh we died a lot
too..

Thunder


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[Yeager]

Thunder and Joemud, I understand what has happened here and I dont have any complaints about either of you guys for doing such things.  Hell, I might go out and try to get a 40+ kill floatie tonight!  It is a bit cheezy though  

Yeager

[dawg]

Part of the fun of a beta is having a jolly good time with the bugs. And when it lights up the common channel with a flurry of rants it's just all the more fun. Any of you guys got brothers? When they react to teasing it's nearly impossible to stop; I think it's some kind of vestigal male instinct that drives us onward to tease them until they go insane. I see this as all in fun, life's too short to live it with dyspepsia  

[Fishu]

"..ITS A BETA..", that is begining to sound like some cheap excuse already..
Say this, do that.. always they just say "its a beta", like it would make a right to abuse bugs and cheat.

In finished versions I've heard something similar several times... it goes like this: "why is it possible then? I can do it as long as they dont fix it!".
..and they really do put out updates every day just because of new bug has been found.

Also theres one important point, if people abuses bugs or features just to annoy people, it will not make the game any better, it will be just more restricted!
Heres example: why you guys think that shots at friendly plane bounces back to your plane?
simple: because few has tend to shoot down friendlies just for their own fun. (did others like it? no)
Also they have been saying same excuse.. "why is it possible then?" (go figure)

STOP abusing bugs and features, by saying out some cheap excuse, it will ONLY hurt the game and the community.
If you still havent got it, scroll up and read about "killshooter" which makes shots at friendly planes bounce back to yours, that is example what abusing bugs/features does.

[Wardog]

Joemud has done this on  a number of occasions now,he did the same thing in the Volcano with server kills.

He has no intention of becoming part of the AH community.When i log on and check roster,he gets squeclhed right off. Beta or not,we are trying to build a community untill we go public.

Think this is the first time ever i have agreed with Fishu  

I have no use for anybody who abuses known bugs..

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[dolomite]

Thunder-

1. I wasn't at the field, I formed my opinion on the basis of what you all wrote,  my former observations on a similar incident, and the previous time this stunt was pulled (by the same person).

2. Sanctimonious? Perhaps. But I don't believe this game should boil down to "who can cheat the best".

3. No way this "feature" will be left in.

4. I wouldn't take off from a field where you or anyone else was performing with such "skill".

5. This is an air combat simulator, not a Quake "camper" simulator (for those who don't know what that is, a "camper" is a Quaker that hides by a weapon spawn point, killing anyone who appears").

6. Warp on command is very real, and someone with your "vast online experience" should know that.

7. Please explain how this opinion is in any way self-serving.

8. You purposely exploited an unintended feature of the game that gave you a totally unrealistic and unfair advantage, and don't have the brain cells to decipher why anyone has the right to be upset?

9. Why do I even respond to your sophomoric and self-congratulatory postings on the topic? What if everyone starts playing your way... boy, won't that be fun! I don't ordinarily put it as point blank as this, but you are cheating if you continue as you have done. Cabby said it best... Cheaters suck!