Appeasement Works

[CyranoAH]

Again, just for the sake of argument.

Imagine the bombings never happened and the results in Spain were the same.

We would withdraw our troops from Iraq, because that was a promise from the new government during the elections.

If that promise hadn't been made AND we withdrew our troops from Iraq, now that's appeasement.

Daniel

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So now the madrid bombings werent done by muslim terrorists? You arent saying that, are you?

Of course not.  I'm saying that the group that declared a "truce" with Spain have no credibility an probably have nothing to so with the bombings.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by CyranoAH
Again, just for the sake of argument.

Imagine the bombings never happened and the results in Spain were the same.

We would withdraw our troops from Iraq, because that was a promise from the new government during the elections.

If that promise hadn't been made AND we withdrew our troops from Iraq, now that's appeasement.

Daniel

Pepe and you disagree on the likely pre 311 election result. He says the current govt would win yiu aregue the socialists would win.

All the US stations reported that the current party was headed for a victory.

So there are disputes there...

Regardless your socialoist government will be foolish to withdreaw from iraq because they should know the terrorists will read that as victory. They will not be nuanced or particulalr in their analysis of WHY the spanish withdrew from iraq, they will just say its because of the bombings. So any withdreawl now after the bombings will be a genuine victory for them. You know that.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Of course not.  I'm saying that the group that declared a "truce" with Spain have no credibility an probably have nothing to so with the bombings.

Thanks for clarification.

[Thrawn]

PS: Spain is sending another 125 soldiers to fight the Taliban in Afghanistan...how is that appeasement?  

Remember guys, what ever you do, NEVER let the facts get in the way of your biases.  

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Thanks for clarification.

NP.  

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Thrawn
PS: Spain is sending another 125 soldiers to fight the Taliban in Afghanistan...how is that appeasement?  

Remember guys, what ever you do, NEVER let the facts get in the way of your biases.  

The terrorists wont care, they will tout the much more significant Iraq withdrawl as a victory of their tactics...  You know that.

Whatever the Socialists position on Iraq was before the bombings they must take the terror attack into account in any decison they actually make on iraq.  If they withdraw they will hand the terrorists a victory - whatver rationalization we put on it here. However if they stay the course in Iraq they will have have defeated them beacuse they are not giving te terrorists what they expressedly asked for, a spanish withdrawal from Iraq.

[texace]

You cannot and will not appease terrorists. They will ALWAYS find something your country is doing that they do not like. They live to spread fear and discontent in any country they attack. As long as they can do this, then they will always do it regardless.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
The terrorists wont care, they will tout the much more significant Iraq withdrawl as a victory of their tactics...  You know that.

Probably, but luckily we know better.  

[Goth]

Originally posted by Frogm4n
I have never said that.

I wholeheartedly apologize. You did not say that, that was said by strk in another thread.

Thrawn, I do feel horrible for the people of Spain, those that lost loved ones and those affected by the tragedy. I am very pleased that Spain will continue the fight against terrorism in Afghanistan.

I was highly angered by this latest report of another bomb, even though I am not spanish, nor do I live in Spain. I have to agree though, like many in this thread, that the reaction to the previous bombing is a slight show of weakness, and I do not want to see a partner and ally weakened by terrorists.

We can't, for even one second, let those barbaric terrorists think that they have even won one battle.

[Munkii]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
The terrorists wont care, they will tout the much more significant Iraq withdrawl as a victory of their tactics...  You know that.

Iraq was secular and not really a terrorism motivated war (no matter what the current administration says)  The Taliban are a horribly oppressive muslim regime, which the terrorists side with.  I could see where pulling out of Iraq wasn't enough appeasement, there will be a Muslim government installed there whether the Spanish are there or not.  Fighting what is left of the Taliban and Al Queda in Afganistan could be seen as the more important thing to stop from a terrorist standpoint.

[Frogm4n]

Originally posted by Goth
I wholeheartedly apologize. You did not say that, that was said by strk in another thread.

Thrawn, I do feel horrible for the people of Spain, those that lost loved ones and those affected by the tragedy. I am very pleased that Spain will continue the fight against terrorism in Afghanistan.

I was highly angered by this latest report of another bomb, even though I am not spanish, nor do I live in Spain. I have to agree though, like many in this thread, that the reaction to the previous bombing is a slight show of weakness, and I do not want to see a partner and ally weakened by terrorists.

We can't, for even one second, let those barbaric terrorists think that they have even won one battle.

International terrorim and the war with iraq have nothing to do with each other.  
Spain is a target because it is an easy one. Security in southern europe is not the greatest. Up untill 3/11 i would say that italy, spain and a few other countrys thought they would not be targets.
What scares me is the olympic games in greece. Greece, where you can buy off the entire police force for 10 US dollars.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Munkii
Iraq was secular and not really a terrorism motivated war (no matter what the current administration says)  The Taliban are a horribly oppressive muslim regime, which the terrorists side with.  I could see where pulling out of Iraq wasn't enough appeasement, there will be a Muslim government installed there whether the Spanish are there or not.  Fighting what is left of the Taliban and Al Queda in Afganistan could be seen as the more important thing to stop from a terrorist standpoint.

An Al Qaeda linked website said in December of last year that there would be terror attacks directed at Spain to force them out of Iraq. So, as I said earler, whther any of US believe Iraq has anything to do with the terror war is irrelevant, because the terrorists obviously think Iraq is a vital issue in their side of the terror war. So giving up in iraq is giving in to the terrorists.

[GRUNHERZ]

International terrorim and the war with iraq have nothing to do with each other.

Maybe to you, but the muslim terrorists would disagree.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Probably, but luckily we know better.  

We should know better yes, and so should do everything possible to not give the terrorists that chance to proclaim that victory. So I think Spain must stay in Iraq to do that.

It almost doesnt matter what we think, it maters that the the terrorists dont think that they won.