To be PC, or not to be PC....

[Steve]

Tarmac, I do not think the Government can fix racism. I think they have fanned the flames of racism, actually.

[Sixpence]

Yeah, my PC is starting to piss me off, I think it stands for Piece of Chit.

[Tarmac]

Originally posted by Steve
Tarmac, I do not think the Government can fix racism. I think they have fanned the flames of racism, actually.

The "try not to laugh" was meant to show that the previous two statements were a bit tongue in cheek.  

I don't think the government can fix much of anything.  

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

PC is a loveless half breed bastard child spawned from a half wit and a dip****.

"I'm a mechanical broom operator"

NO! You are a ****ing street sweeper!
-SW

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by Steve
OK Saburo,   I'm going to ask you again, explain to me how PC does not promote racism.

How does lowering SAT scores for one ethnic group over another make anything "level"?

Steve,
I've said a lot on the subject in this thread. I'm not going to repeat myself. My answers and how I view "PC" is posted above in this thread. I doubt very much that I'll change anyone's perceptions as those here won't change mine. Just giving insight on how I think and view the subject, nothing more, nothing less. I don't "dislike" anyone here at all despite the disagreements. We're all independent thinkers and that's what I respect about you all even if I disagree with some of you. Racism and prejudice are prevailent in all parts of the world, not just America. I know this, doesn't mean I have to agree with it.
Heck, if Lazs and I ended up next to each other at a gun range, we'd probably have a great time discussing firearms and rail against the "ignorance" of certain gun control laws. heck, I'd offer he shoot my guns, he'd like them BTW. I would also bet he wouldn't get in my face and start railing against the "Japs" and "Nips" knowing that I was half-Japanese. I'll treat anyone with respect until they disrespect me.

[ravells]

Good for you, Saburo. Good points, well made.

Ravs

[AKIron]

Politeness is always appropriate but should be voluntary. PC is what happens when you try to force people into being polite.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Steve
In many organizations, if two job  candidates are equally qualified for a position and one happens to be a minority, the minority will get the job.  Often this is done for fear of a discrimination lawsuit and/or to fill a quota.  It's racism against white people.

Legitimate studies show that this is just the opposite of the truth. Private employers who ask for "race" on an application are breaking the law. However when equally qualified applications are submitted.. one with a "white" name and one with a "black" name the white names are called 50% more often.

[mietla]

Originally posted by AKIron
Politeness is always appropriate but should be voluntary. PC is what happens when you try to force people into being polite.

much worse that that. PC supporters do not limit themselves to a public critique. That would be perfectly fine. They have every right to have their opinion, argue for it, voice and defend it (publically or in private) and try to convice others to its merits.

They also have every right to call the opponents names, imply their own superiority etc., but this is where the politeness goes out the window (see red tail's post). Still perfectly alright.

But, when they start dragging the omnipotence of the goverment to force their view on others under threat of violence, they are becoming dangerous, very dangerous. And this is why I'll always fight them. Politely but with all my might.

Saburo, saying that AA is not racist is just dishonest. You can argue that it is a "justified racism" (which I will disagree with), but saying that AA is not racist is just plain dishonest.

[ravells]

The problem with everybody, Iron is that they don't know where PC ends and politeness begins.

So it's a great excuse to be damn rude and when you're pulled up on it, to say, 'but oh I have freedom of speech' or, 'but oh, you're trying to be too pc'.

Maybe yes, maybe no, but as I said on an earlier thread, you don't call your mum a *****ing **** because she's cooked you a dinner you don't like and then try to justify that on free speech or pc grounds. We were all brought up better than that.

There is a time and place to say things and sometimes it is appropriate and sometimes it isn't and sometimes it's difficult to tell. The people who get on my nerves are the those who are so far off the bell curve (for example an individual who was responsible for the last locked thread) they have lost contact with the way that normal human beings live and ought to behave towards each other.


Ravs

[Steve]

Legitimate studies show that this is just the opposite of the truth. Private employers who ask for "race" on an application are breaking the law. However when equally qualified applications are submitted.. one with a "white" name and one with a "black" name the white names are called 50% more o

Legitimate studies?  

Ok, legitimate studies say the above is a bunch of BS.


Edit:  I find it amusing how htose debating w/ me completley ignore my challenges.  Here's a couple more:  how well would "White Entertainment Television"  go over?
White radio stations?

[bullett308]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Legitimate studies show that this is just the opposite of the truth. Private employers who ask for "race" on an application are breaking the law. However when equally qualified applications are submitted.. one with a "white" name and one with a "black" name the white names are called 50% more often.

I can belive that MT.
So you know what I do when asked on an app what race I am?
I write in HUMAN and leave it at that.

[Steve]

You wouldn't be repeating yourself Saburo, my challenges go unanswered by you because you do not have the answer without admitting that the bastard child of PC, affirmative action, is racist.

Some people might have been sucked in about how you don't dislike anyone here and you just disagre.. blah blah blah.  That's all nice Saburo, but totally irrelevent to what we are talking about.
This discussion has nothing to do with how you and I feel about each other and neither of us has made this personal, I  think.

I made points that show PC and affirmative action to be racist.
You counter my points by saying... oh wait... you didn't counter my points.  I'll take that as admission of my position being correct.

[mietla]

Originally posted by bullett308

So you know what I do when asked on an app what race I am?
I write in HUMAN and leave it at that.

why would yo ueven dignify this idiotic and clearly racist question. When they send me the Census Form, I reply with only one thing

4


this is the number of people in my household, and that is all they are entitled to know. They've been sending workers to bug me for weeks, never bothered ot even open the door.

[bullett308]

Originally posted by mietla
why would yo ueven dignify this idiotic and clearly racist question. .

To drive home a point!
My God It should be obvious to us all there is but one RACE and that is HUMAN.

We may come in different shapes colors and idiels but we are all human.