To be PC, or not to be PC....

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by bullett308
I see no point in calling ethnic groups names.

The correct term Is Japanese.
That as far as im concerned is not asking to much.

As a Jewish American I can relate.
Kike or jewboy or hooknose jew would be offensive to me.

Thank you. I agree with you 100%.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by mietla
Ok, let's try again.



I do not really feel the need to do that, so I'm not sure I'm "qualified to respond", but since I'm in this thread toenails deep, I'll answer anyway, FWIW....Thank you for your level-headed response and keeping this discussion above-board.

1. I choose not to do it. I feel no need for it, and if this was your definition of PC, I'd be on your side. Just so we're clear here, that is my definition I believe in. That is the reason I asked and not demand (not that i'd have any power to do so. I still believe in freedom of speech even if it is offensive.) I don't wish that certain words or phrases be wiped out of the English language. Just questioning why the need to use racial epithets in a public forum (I know it's privately own, but it is open to the public.). Notice in all my posts do I say that it be law that no one say certain words. I don't/didn't. Instead the thread got into a semantics discussion on what was/wasn't pc, and whether AA constituted racism or not. This is a far cry from a civil request that I asked out of respect and politeness that we refrain from certain language. I did not demand.
But, ... the minute you tell me I can't do it, I'll switch sides.  Nope, not my BBS, not my place to tell you or anyone that they MUST do anything.


Politeness  = voluntary civilityI still beleive by definition as I see it, that by acting "PC", one is respecting others, by both speech and actions. To use force via totalianarism to be "PC" would in fact not be "PC", again, my definition as I interpret it.
PC = an attempt to use the power of the state to impose your views on others.

2. A resounding... Of course not.

3. Everything. In a nutshell...By your definition, I'll agree with you here. I think what we have is a difference of our beliefs of the definition of "PC". In a nutshell, I agree with your ideas in this post. My only disagreement is on the definition of "PC". What you describe as "PC" in your actions, I consider very un"PC"

Politeness is a voluntary action.

Say,  you ask me, can you please refrain from addressing me as  Bob, I'd prefer Robert, instead. I'd be happy to oblige.

Say,  you ask me, can you please refrain from addressing me as  Robert, I'd prefer Mr. XXX, instead. I'd be happy to oblige.

Say,  you ask me, can you please refrain from addressing me as  Mr. XXX, I'd prefer Maestro, instead. I'd be happy to oblige.


See, everything is between us, you ask politely, I'll find a courtesy in me to oblige.
I agree. I asked politely of those that wished to use degrading, racial epithets.....from the beginning.
But...  the minute you drag the government in it, and your decry...

"All XXX poeple have to be addressed as YYY" my middle finger suddenly stiffens.
Politeness is a voluntary and conditional surrender of someone's rights made in order to make interaction between people (potential lifetime friends) easier and more enjoyable foe all.
I agree.

PC is a totalitarian concept. This is where "PC" becomes un-"PC"
It is an attempt to intimidate (like in, fine,  prison, loss of property, mafia style "insurance") free people, into hiding their real thoughts, and present the "government preferred" face instead. Never, ever I'll suport that.

Thanks for your response

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by bullett308
PC Is Bullchit. As mietla described his version of a "totalitarian PC", I agree. As I understand "PC" to be, I'll disagree.
But treating someone like a human being should come natural.
A dammed shame it dont though. Agreed 100%!!! I believe hate and prejudice is learned though, although I'm not an expert.

[Eagler]

in my teen years, being called a whop may have bothered me (never happened)

in my mid 40's, someone call me a whop, I'd cross the street and try to ignore him as I'd know I was dealing with a less than stable nutbag

[lazs2]

none of the terms for white people bother me..  intent bothers me.  I will not ban words because they may possibly offend a portion of one race or gender or creed.

I will continue to use the word jap when I wish.

And that's what it is all about isn't it... on half japanesse player searching for his "roots"...  

I make no justification for anything I say unless asked for it and then... only if I wish to give a justification.

I reserve the right to say any word that is appropriate to the situation... I consider myself a polite person.   I consider a lot of people hypersensitive and because of their hypersensitivity they are adding to the problem.

PC seeks to ban words... bottom line... are you for banning words?  the books they may be in?   How bout music or movies?

To me, jap is short for japanesse.   I will not be around a person who is offended if I say "jap car".  

subaru... you never anwswered my question tho... do you know the terms the japanesse use for white people and what it means?

lazs

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Eagler
in my teen years, being called a whop may have bothered me (never happened)

in my mid 40's, someone call me a whop, I'd cross the street and try to ignore him as I'd know I was dealing with a less than stable nutbag

OMG! Not only do I look like your younger better looking brother... we are both wh......  er Italian!?

[midnight Target]

Now AA might of helped him get into a better college or something but It did not help him in his military career.

Exactly what I'm talking about. It's all about opportunity. EVERYONE should have it. Then they can be judged upon their merits.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by midnight Target
OMG! Not only do I look like your younger better looking brother... we are both wh......  er Italian!?

I never pictured you as an Itialian MT..

[midnight Target]

OK, mostly Italian. 3/4.

[lazs2]

MT..."everyone" should have opportunity... but...

If opportunities are limited by funds or whatever... then, the people who can make the most use of them... the people with the most ability should be given the opportunities first..  regardless of race of gender or whatever..

And yes... I realize that according to the "bell curve", many asians and jews will get more opportunity than us honkies.   I don't want to be operated on by some afirmative action white guy any more than I do any affirmative action loser.

lazs

[midnight Target]

But what if opportunity is limited by racial bigotry?

[lazs2]

How so?  I am, not for limiting opportunity based on race.   I am for testing of students even tho that has fallen out of favor.    I think we should seek out the brilliant no matter what race or gender.

We should not have quotas based on race tho that simply take the worthless or near worthless and waste opportunity on them.

lazs

[midnight Target]

How so?

Comon lazs. Are you suggesting that all prejudice has been eliminated? That all of the affects of the past have been removed? That everyone in todays world gets an equal shot?

hehe.

[lazs2]

prejudice will never be completely eliminated.   that has nothing to do with it.   you cannot mandate that people like each other.   spike haired nose ring white people get more prejudiced treatment than blacks say... so what?

put em all to the test... I don't care who wins but you need to seperate out the gifted if you have limited resourses for opportunity.   to do otherwise is to cheat everyone.

lazs

[Eagler]

if think there should be reverse AA in the NBA

we need more short white guys in there to even out all the tall black ones