Author Topic: US Constitution - 2nd Amendment (Read 2994 times)

hawker238 · « **Reply #135 on:** April 09, 2004, 09:36:08 AM »

Laz, that's shooting in defense of yourself or another person. I have no objections to that. Shooting a man who grabbed your wallet is another matter.

lazs2 · « **Reply #136 on:** April 09, 2004, 10:17:23 AM »

depends... If he is attacking me to get my wallet that is one thing... I would even go so far as to say that I wouldn't give up my wallet voluntarily. If he is willing to face a firearm to steal then he is probably rabid and needs to be put down... just as a burglar hitting a home in the daytime is... sorta like seeing a raccoon in the daytime raiding your garbage can... best to not take chances.

Why is someone stealing from you? Is this someone we want running around free? What if he kills or severly injures the next person he robs? How would you feel then?

lazs

hawker238 · « **Reply #137 on:** April 09, 2004, 10:21:12 AM »

What if he is stealing to feed himself or others? And who are you to just pass judgement on a human life like that?

lazs2 · « **Reply #138 on:** April 09, 2004, 10:35:37 AM »

I make no judgments other than threat evaluations. If he is stealing to feed his family (is there even one recorded case of this ever happening in modern U.S. history) then he will certainly not attack me. If he does his motives do not play into it. If I resist he will leave if he is simply trying to "feed his family"

crooks aren't crooks to "feed their family" they are crooks to feed their habits without working.

Even so... each case is different. I would react as to how much I felt threatened. It is not I that has put the guy in danger it is he. If it is understood that I have the right to shoot him then he is risking his life for a few dollars... it stands to reason that he holds very little value on life and is to be feared.

lazs

Widewing · « **Reply #139 on:** April 09, 2004, 10:43:07 AM »

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What if he is stealing to feed himself or others? And who are you to just pass judgement on a human life like that?

LOLOLOLOL.... I'm trying to remember the last time I heard of a pair of thugs kicking in the front door of an elderly widow because they wanted a cheeseburger.....

I do remember when thieves forced their way into the house of WWII ace and retired Marine General Marion Carl and bludgened the elderly man to death. They weren't doing it to feed their starving invalid mothers.

My regards,

Widewing

lazs2 · « **Reply #140 on:** April 09, 2004, 10:49:16 AM »

If you were stealing to feed your family would you not simply grab a big ol ham or something at the local supermarket and run like hell?

lazs

hawker238 · « **Reply #141 on:** April 09, 2004, 10:56:56 AM »

No, then I'd be summarily shot.

I must also say I find it amusing you are so intent on changing my opinion on the value of human life.

AKIron · « **Reply #142 on:** April 09, 2004, 10:58:13 AM »

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No, then I'd be summarily shot.

You might if you were in Texas. Yeeeehaaaaaw!

lazs2 · « **Reply #143 on:** April 09, 2004, 01:21:18 PM »

I have no idea of what your opinion is on the value of human life. I place it pretty high... I also prioritize human life... mine and my families is worth much more than someone elses... the inocents is worth more than the guilties.

How do you tulips value?

lazs

Kanth · « **Reply #144 on:** April 09, 2004, 05:17:15 PM »

I knew you couldn't resist. Sandman must have really pissed in your cornflakes in order to be below the voting status of a woman.

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When I end womens suffarage I will let you have sandmans vote.

lazs

Kanth · « **Reply #145 on:** April 09, 2004, 05:19:08 PM »

Like he needs encouraging

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LOL

You come up with some real zingers lazs

JBA · « **Reply #146 on:** April 09, 2004, 09:26:35 PM »

Don't know if this has been stated but do any of you think that after fighting the British in a bloody revolution they would then ban guns to the people who just fought to over throw the government. the entire constitution was/is writing to limit governments powers not the people.

hawker238 · « **Reply #147 on:** April 09, 2004, 10:08:37 PM »

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Don't know if this has been stated but do any of you think that after fighting the British in a bloody revolution they would then ban guns to the people who just fought to over throw the government. the entire constitution was/is writing to limit governments powers not the people.

Actually, I believe the constitution gives the government powers. Yeah.....

JBA · « **Reply #148 on:** April 11, 2004, 01:30:55 PM »

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Actually, I believe the constitution gives the government powers. Yeah.....

It Limits the power of government.

hawker238 · « **Reply #149 on:** April 11, 2004, 05:57:51 PM »

No, the Constitution creates and divides the powers amongst the three branches of government. The Bill of Rights limits their power.