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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2004, 01:00:03 AM »
They send you to jail for that?

yegads.

But yeah... Rock bands don't let people record their shows...

They seem to have that right.

Yet, you sometimes see snippets of their performances on the 11:00 news.

Uhm... fuggit.

I have no idea what the laws are.

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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2004, 01:06:22 AM »
Conditional rights have always applied, especially to free speech.  I just don't see where this is a case.  NFL is not a public forum, it is a private organization, as are rock concerts.  You pay to get into them, or watch them on TV. (Through advertisements and commercial time)  A public speech is a completely different manner.

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« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2004, 01:32:40 AM »
often recordings are made of people without there consent or knowledge.

a couple of instances that come to mind are when tapes from the back of patrol cars or jail visiting rooms are used as evidence.   the reason given is usually that the people didn't or shouldn't have had "a reasonable expectation of privacy",  therefore since they had no reasonable expectation that  these conversations would be private, the police have no need for a warrant, permission, or even notification that the recording is being made.

this would seem a similar situation, since a person giving a public speech shouldn't reasonably expect his words to be private.  in fact since this recording is being made for general use and not as evidence in court, the right to record it should be even more lenient.

this has nothing in common with recording concerts or sporting events, since it's a private event, when buy a ticket and there is a contract that goes with it,  most state that recordings or sometimes even still photos are not allowed.

IMO, they overstepped their authority, and destroyed private property.  you'd think a supreme court justice would know better.
  of course he probably also knows there could never be a ruling on it, since all they would have to do is appeal until it hit the supreme court, at which time all of the justices would have to excuse themselves since they would all have an interest in the case since it deals with their behavior on restricting recordings.

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« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2004, 06:38:36 PM »
Update...

Scalia said he doesn't allow these events to be recorded by cameras and televised, but he does allow them to be covered by the print media. He apologized, and said he too would be outraged at the erasing of the journalist's tapes. He says he is  changing his policy to explicitely allow them to be recorded on tape by the print media.

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« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2004, 07:14:38 PM »
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Update...

Scalia said he doesn't allow these events to be recorded by cameras and televised, but he does allow them to be covered by the print media. He apologized, and said he too would be outraged at the erasing of the journalist's tapes. He says he is  changing his policy to explicitely allow them to be recorded on tape by the print media.


Well that at least makes a little more sense.

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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2004, 09:28:21 PM »
Can you go to a rock concert and legally make a recording?  Can you go to a comedy show and legally make a recording?  How are those situations any different from someone giving a speech?

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« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2004, 09:30:56 PM »
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Can you go to a rock concert and legally make a recording?  Can you go to a comedy show and legally make a recording?  How are those situations any different from someone giving a speech?


Boosh is a crimanal!!!

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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2004, 09:33:45 PM »
I sincerely don't know at all but I suspect it has something to do with the fact that Scalia didn't sell tickets to a private "performance" and the fact that journalists regularly record private performances anyways.

At concerts, you will know them by their "press" tags. At a Scalia show, they will be the ones in the front moshing.

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« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2004, 09:36:42 PM »
And as usual, Grun is the one jumping on stage, diving off it, and is clueless to the fact that he parted the sea like moses - now requireing extensive stitching.

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« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2004, 09:38:24 PM »
Zooooooo!

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« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2004, 09:39:57 PM »
You were not booing, right? Just checking! :)

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« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2004, 11:17:13 PM »
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Can you go to a rock concert and legally make a recording? Can you go to a comedy show and legally make a recording? How are those situations any different from someone giving a speech?


at any of the events you listed you buy a ticket or pay admission.  this is a type of contracts and under that you can set conditions,  if they don't want to allow recording or photos they can set that as a condition.

a public official, making a speech at a public event, on publicly owned property is public, and you have no reason to expect privacy.

I do think his position on the update is reasonable.  he agreed that he thinks erasing the tape was wrong,  just a mistake, an officer who didn't completely understand his instruction.

I also think him not wanting video taken is also reasonable.  the types of decisions justices are forced to make naturally make them enemies.  and having video of them show up all the time would make them more recognizable.  I think the fact that most of us wouldn't recognize them if they sat down next to us at a restaurant is probably a good thing.

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« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2004, 11:59:16 PM »
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I also think him not wanting video taken is also reasonable.  the types of decisions justices are forced to make naturally make them enemies.  and having video of them show up all the time would make them more recognizable.  I think the fact that most of us wouldn't recognize them if they sat down next to us at a restaurant is probably a good thing.


how hard can they be not to recognize thru these flimsy disguises?!?



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« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2004, 12:10:05 AM »
Twisted. :aok

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« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2004, 12:45:56 AM »
Krusty the Clown lives and is doing well it would seem.