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Offline Boroda

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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2004, 02:14:26 PM »
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You see, this is the part that makes me not really give a poop about how you feel or what you think.


I can afford a little exaggeration, especially to make you reply on my posts :)

Please tell me how do you feel about cluster bombs being dropped onto inhabited apartment blocks? "Bomb them to stone age"? Did that Iraqui women and children invite you there? Did "evil dictator Saddam" use cluster bombs against people of Fallujah?

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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2004, 02:16:52 PM »
Boroda,

I can fill 1000 post with documented instances of Russian mistreatment of Chechens.

Front page of Human Right Watch has this article Russia: Conditions in Chechnya and Ingushetia Deteriorate on abuses.

RUSSIA/CHECHNYA CIVILIAN KILLINGS IN STAROPROMYSLOVSKI DISTRICT OF GROZNY

Russian Ultimatum to Grozny Condemned Attacks on Fleeing Civilians Continue

This is why folks like Toad and Grünherz dont take your claims ver seriously. I wont go into Katyn again but even your govewrnment admits yet you still refuse to believe it. Its a true case of a pot calling the kettle black.

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« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2004, 02:40:06 PM »
Batz, where was HRW when mudzhaheddins in Chechnia were killing all non-islamic and non-chechen people? Were was HRW when mudzhaheddins took hostages in Buddenovsk? When they rides in Dagestan? When they cutted heads of british engineers and russian pastor? When they were killing people in border regions, such as Ingushetia? Were was HRW that time? Do you know how much russians were killed there by chechen bandits? That people were killed only because they wanted to live like normal people. To work. To grow their children. Not to plunder or stole. They just wanted to have normal life. This was only reason to kill them. I was in Groznyj in 1986. It was a very nice city. Chechens called it "Garden-city". There were a lot of gardens. Very clean. And I saw what did chechens do with that city themself.... A big trash can. Thousands of old men, who can't leave Chechnya became hostages in their own homes. Their welfare went directly to Dudaev's weapon managers. To buy weapon. Yes. Because only weapon could keep authority in bandit hands. Do you know, how many children and old men dyed there because of Dudaev fully destroed medical and educational system? He closed schools and hospitals because he was nessesary of money. Money from RF. The "Garden-City" became a "Hell-City". Nobody non-chechen can leave his home without risk to be murdered by their chechen neighbors. Chechens expelled people from their houses. If people were very lucky they stayed alive after that. If not..... Maybe sometimes their wreckages will be found.

Were was HRW that time?

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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2004, 02:45:07 PM »
anyone notice all the pretty flowers in the spring?

they smell nice too :)

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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2004, 02:52:16 PM »
I don't defend the Chechens nor am I a member of HRW.

So your questions are irrelevant to me. Both you and Boroda paint a picture of evil American occupiers abusing and killing innocent Iraqis. Boroda then goes into how well the Russians treated civilians in Grozny. Yet there's a whole host of credible sources that dispute what he is saying.

You both claim the western governments control access to information and distort the truth. However, it’s clear to anyone, no matter where they are from, who it is that is doing the distorting.

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« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2004, 02:53:35 PM »
daffodills are very pretty and common these days :)

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« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2004, 12:08:49 PM »
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I don't defend the Chechens nor am I a member of HRW.

So your questions are irrelevant to me. Both you and Boroda paint a picture of evil American occupiers abusing and killing innocent Iraqis. Boroda then goes into how well the Russians treated civilians in Grozny. Yet there's a whole host of credible sources that dispute what he is saying.


I am not going to picture what our Army have done in Chechnya in white and pink colours. We have a WAR, and we wage war against people who blow up apartment homes in Moscow. There was a chance that MY house could be blown up in 1999.

Noone invited Americans to Iraq.

Just imagine that someone starts dropping cluster-bombs onto your neighbourhood.


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aim the western governments control access to information and distort the truth. However, it’s clear to anyone, no matter where they are from, who it is that is doing the distorting.


Any government, any time, controls acces to information and distorts the truth.

The Iraqi case is the most obvious thing that can show you the above-nebtioned things.

It's another, modern, shown-on-tv wholesale Song Mi.

I want to see a person who ordered a cluster-bombing of Fallujah. I want him under court martial. Call me a savage, a barbarian, whatever you like. This is my understanding of justice.

I doubt that we'll see any American military criminals under trial.

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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2004, 12:37:48 PM »
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I am not going to picture what our Army have done in Chechnya in white and pink colours. We have a WAR, and we wage war against people who blow up apartment homes in Moscow. There was a chance that MY house could be blown up in 1999.

Noone invited Americans to Iraq.

Just imagine that someone starts dropping cluster-bombs onto your neighbourhood.


 

Any government, any time, controls acces to information and distorts the truth.

The Iraqi case is the most obvious thing that can show you the above-nebtioned things.

It's another, modern, shown-on-tv wholesale Song Mi.

I want to see a person who ordered a cluster-bombing of Fallujah. I want him under court martial. Call me a savage, a barbarian, whatever you like. This is my understanding of justice.

I doubt that we'll see any American military criminals under trial.


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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2004, 12:42:47 PM »
FU.

Thanks.

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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2004, 01:00:58 PM »
calm down....shake hands and enjoy easter :)

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« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2004, 06:04:41 PM »
Back to what's really important: getting laid.

edit - ignore this, I'm trying to keep things light
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