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Lutz

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It's the game stupid...
« on: October 01, 1999, 12:16:00 PM »
It's the game stupid!

You can make the most superb eye candy and flight models you want, but even they get boring. The best way to make and keep the game is recreating WWII, it's major campaigns, battles, techological advancements etc.
Obviously the names of the countries as well as the size/shape of the land masses should reflect reality. Be it Europe, North Africa, Russia, Japan, south Pacific islands, Hawaii, any contested areas of that month during the war years etc. wishing to be deplicted for the day or week or whatever.
The default for users in other sims is always the easiest, quickiest way into the air, however, if launch included a brief synopois of the current situation (time period with explanation of current situation, # of planes assigned to each country, current damage, available planes from each country), that would automatically put ALL players into real play, not just a bunch of lone wolfs occasionally forming a association of convenience.
In my opinion, for AH to stand out it needs to make some radical changes in the structure of the gameplay itself to give it more of a dynamic direction than the limitations from arbitrary permanent labels assigned to players which are then left to organize and create their own game...that only marginally works and in the end produces mostly boredom and complaints, i.e. users ripe for another distraction.
Re creation = recreation

One virtural pilots point of view.

Lutz

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Of course by a beta's very nature it is not a finished product. Perhaps I have no basis to assume player setup will be like every other online sim but I have seen or read nothing to the contrary to what I have written above. This is merely a fresh idea  offered hopefully before all is finalized.  
Sorry if you feel I am speaking out of turn but these developers are to fixated on the technology and don't do the marketing surveys and actual play development research they ought to, according to me.

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funked

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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 1999, 01:05:00 PM »
 www.playnet.com

But seriously, I'm pretty sure we will see a "bigger picture" in AH.  But you have to get all the components working before you can make them work together.  It's called "Beta"!

Offline bod

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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 1999, 01:38:00 PM »
I think you are on to something, just like this Ishmael guy. I don't agree that it has to be based on reality. What is needed is a set of rules that make it a game and not just a box of artifacts.

It is the rules that make a game, just look at tennis, soccer, golf, chess, civilization, or any other game.

On the other hand, a combat simulator like WB or AH can be rather fun as well and the "gaming" aspects are of minimum importance.

With regard to game vs simulator it is rather interresting how neither WB nor AH has any clear opinions of where to go. On one hand they want it to be a simulator, but it must not bee "too realistic" and on the other hand they want it to be a game, but they really don't want to make any real rules or game setup.

When someone (like Ishmael) has an idea, he gets swamped down by people saying that it cant't be done because ..bla bla bla.. dweebs.. bla bla bla.

Personally i would like more reality in the simulation aspects. I really have no idea how the rules should be to make this a real interresting *game*, but maybe Ishmael was onto something, maybe more clearly defined strat ?

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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 1999, 03:22:00 PM »
Come On!
Do you understand what beta is?  This isn't a finished game.  It's not even a finished piece of a game.  It's a test of a piece of a game.  Don't look at it as what it is, look at it as what it can be.

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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 1999, 03:51:00 PM »
I think everybody here knows that this is a beta, at least those who can read  

 
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Aces High seeks to blend these elements together in a way that doesn't lose sight of itself, thereby augmenting and not detracting from the experience.  Not all of these elements are expected to be completed by the end of the beta period, but that development will proceed quickly
This is from the "Game Play" section in the main pages. Clearly any "strat" or set of rules are of minor or no importance since they are not even a part of the beta testing.

Bod

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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 1999, 08:13:00 PM »
Lutz..

Every thing you have said is totally irrelavent. If you had read any of the announcement that have been posted regarding AH, He has repeated over & over that the Beta is an Unfinished program,released at this point in beta to test the server more than anything else..

Everthing about the beta is unfinished. Please dont waste our time with a rediculous post like that..

Read all the messages on this board before you post. Save yourself from getting flamed..



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Ivedog

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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 1999, 09:00:00 PM »
I think you had some pretty good ideas, Lutz.  A very well thought out post that I personally agree with 100%.  

C'mon guys - let's not make each other so timid that no new ideas are posted at all.  So what if a guy hasn't read every single post before submitting his own idea?  You'all say "it's beta, therefore it's not finished..."  I agree.  But this should also be the time for the most brainstorming... an inundation of ideas.

Keep 'em flowing!

Ivedog

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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 1999, 07:00:00 PM »
Disagree 100%

Posting ideas has nothing to do with the beta!!!!

Lets get the bugs worked out & let the boyz get on with there own ideas after beta testing is done. Post anything you want on the bugs youve found.. But whining because you can fly Full Realism doesnt help the beta proccess.. Prefer he just quit now & give the rest of us the chance to shake out the bugs..


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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 1999, 02:09:00 AM »
This form: "Aces High General Discussion" has been here months before the beta was reliesed, and has nothing to do with the beta in particular. It is a *general* discussion forum.

When the beta was reliesed, several new forums was created with it, in fact 5 of them (the 5 last ones). Those forums relates *specifically* to the beta.

So Wardog, there is room for everyone on this BBS, everything from beta bugs to grand new ideas.

Bod

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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 1999, 10:31:00 AM »

And obviously room for folks who like to proselytize too!

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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 1999, 12:25:00 PM »
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