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Offline Capt. Pork

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« Reply #45 on: April 13, 2004, 12:40:41 AM »
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shoot the basterds and bury em with pork.


Huh?

I might be ignorant at times, but c'mon!

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« Reply #46 on: April 13, 2004, 12:41:45 AM »
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1) You can't know this by Pongo's post.

2) So what?


Here is what I do know about Pongo's post: he shows no sympathy for a human life lost.

In fact he attempts to justifiy it.

Where is the Pongo himself? He afraid to respond?
« Last Edit: April 13, 2004, 12:43:58 AM by NUKE »

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« Reply #47 on: April 13, 2004, 12:43:13 AM »
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So this guy has participated in the invasions of 4 countries.
Thats an increadable record for a man who lived in times of "peace".

He finally bites the bullet and signs up as a mercenary and gets killed.

And now..its time to get real nasty with those Iraqis cause they dont like being invaded and occupied.

Instead of asking yourself how you would feel if that was done to your brother..
Ask how you would feel if jeeps full of heavily armed foriegn mercenaries were patrolling your streets day in day out.
Remember..you yourself are not allowed to be armed. You dont get to see them at home coaching little leage..you only see them day after day patrolling your home town.


you're an bellybutton hole

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« Reply #48 on: April 13, 2004, 12:48:28 AM »
He's probably asleep.

I read his post yet another time.

Do it yourself.

Read a sentence, stop, and ask yourself "Was that in error? wrong? a fallacy?".

Then move on to the next.

Then come back and tell us what exactly you took issue with.

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« Reply #49 on: April 13, 2004, 12:55:29 AM »
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He's probably asleep.

I read his post yet another time.

Do it yourself.

Read a sentence, stop, and ask yourself "Was that in error? wrong? a fallacy?".

Then move on to the next.

Then come back and tell us what exactly you took issue with.


he's probably posting in his sleep.


I eagerly await his "awake" response. He is a heartless person IMO.

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« Reply #50 on: April 13, 2004, 12:58:47 AM »
If you can't mount a logical attack on him while he sleeps, my money definitely aint on you once he awakes. :)

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« Reply #51 on: April 13, 2004, 01:10:50 AM »
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Originally posted by Nash
He's probably asleep.

I read his post yet another time.

Do it yourself.

Read a sentence, stop, and ask yourself "Was that in error? wrong? a fallacy?".

Then move on to the next.

Then come back and tell us what exactly you took issue with.


There are many facets to this war, and none of them simple or one-sided, but the fact is, these 'mercenaries' are hardly oppressors. What, exactly, are they keeping the Iraqi people from doing? Are they conducting summary executions? Are they beating the children and raping the women?

These are not fascist invaders. These are people with a difficult job, in a difficult situation, that are most definitely not there for the pleasure. They've helped unseat a dictator, whether it was our business or not to do so, and now, are faced with the task of leaving the place in some sort of order. Sure, they're armed. Sure, they're patrolling. They will not become millionaires doing their job.

They knew the risks and suffered the consequences. I do not contest that. What was done to their bodies, as demonstrations of sheer disrespect, is shameful. The people that laughed and smiled at this treatment have sadly, either by nature or through prolonged oppression, lost their humanity.

For that bellybutton hole, and I will not mention his name, to even begin to justify this treatment, is a big 'f you' tothe memory of the men who were there to do a hard, dangerous job, however unpopular in your mind.

Keep your whoopee smilies. I hope he sleeps poorly.

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« Reply #52 on: April 13, 2004, 01:13:27 AM »
I've a friend that's a retired SeaBee and he spoke of possibly going to Iraq to work because the pay is so good.

There's a reason pay is good... there's a chance he could die.

When a soldier dies in Iraq, I tend to see that as just a bit more tragic than when a contractor gets nabbed.


As near as I can tell... some of the people in Iraq are happy that the U.S. is there. Others are not. Some consider the U.S. to be liberators. Others consider the U.S. to be oppressors.

Maybe their perception is wrong. Maybe they shouldn't see the U.S. as an unwelcome, invading force. That's the issue the the U.S. needs to correct. The method of resistance is irrelevant. In fact, I expect that our people would be every bit as brutal if we thought our country was invaded. I sure as hell would be.
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« Reply #53 on: April 13, 2004, 01:23:04 AM »
You have it all wrong Sand.

Some Iraqi patrolling downtown Fort Worth gets yanked from his tank.... yeah, they gonna kill him, but they gonna do it by lethal injection while reading passages from Kahil Gibrahn and sprinkling rose buds on his corpse.

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« Reply #54 on: April 13, 2004, 08:13:06 AM »
In pongos defense, pongo is a good guy, I've known him, flown online with him for prolly four years. We disagree politically but I consider us good friends. i don't hold anything personal against him.

Thrawn, if you are agnostic or whatever, why would you bother with studying the bible? Sounds like it would be a waste of time. If I didn't believe the bible, I sure wouldn't spend time studying it just to "show christians". Why not just enjoy life knowing you're right?

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« Reply #55 on: April 13, 2004, 08:15:16 AM »
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In pongos defense, pongo is a good guy, I've known him, flown online with him for prolly four years. We disagree politically but I consider us good friends. i don't hold anything personal against him.
 


I agree too. Pongo is a cool guy.

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« Reply #56 on: April 13, 2004, 08:44:14 AM »
There are alot of cool guys that I've drank with, ate with, but we don't agree politically.  banana, Pongo just to mention a couple...10bears is one of my favorite online guys as well as a great squaddie, but we're not on the same level politically. We leave the politics in the OT room.  I don't discuss politics online.

Politics at our level is usually "from the heart" and we tend to be very passionate in our beliefs however its best not to judge someone simply by politics alone, you'd be seriously misjudging that person.(And I've done that myself, admittingly)

A good example is my father-in-law.  He's very much to the right of a Conservative, but he's a good man, and willing to help anyone that was needing help, and willing to go out of his way to help, gives alot back to the community in volunteer work...but MAN his far right wing outlook is enough to drive ya bonkers.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2004, 08:47:43 AM by Ripsnort »

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« Reply #57 on: April 13, 2004, 09:38:25 AM »
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Until we're more brutal, savage and scarey as these fools I dont see us winning against fundamental extremists. Maybe I'm wrong.


Frist off sorry to hear about this :(


This is one of the main reasons I was aginst this war from the start....  

We don't have the will to occupy, I'm glad we don't.

It takes a very brutal rule to control a population... the Nazi's did it well....  

Sun Tzu knew it 2000+ years ago .... he also knew protracted conflicts are bad.  The longer we are there the wrose it will get.

War is a nasty nasty thing ... this was a fools errand from the start IMHO.

lets do a collective 'cartman'
"screw you guys, I'm going home"

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« Reply #58 on: April 13, 2004, 11:28:01 AM »
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Thrawn, if you are agnostic or whatever, why would you bother with studying the bible? Sounds like it would be a waste of time. If I didn't believe the bible, I sure wouldn't spend time studying it just to "show christians". Why not just enjoy life knowing you're right?


The Bible is a very important document to many of the people I discourse with and the basis of their systems of morality.  In order to understand them better and were they are coming from I better at least have a passing knowledge of that book.

My biggest beef with people isn't whether or not they are right or left, religious or not, it's whether or not they are hypocritical and to what degree (and I'm certainly guilty of being a hypocrit from time to time).  If a persons ideals and arguments are well thought out, reasonable and consistant, then I'm sure we will find common ground somewhere or at least be able to agree to disagree.