New US policy on Israel

[Nilsen]

*is the seat next to you taken mosgood?*  *mind if i join you?, i have popcorn and beer*

[mosgood]

Ok....  Nilsen and I are ready.

Who's first?

[CyranoAH]

Don't look at me, I'm sellin' tickets

[Tilt]

Originally posted by storch
Remember God's promise to Abraham ...........

........... and most importantly the one that honors God, in whom we trust.  God said in reference to Abraham that he would blessed those who bless him .....................

God's blessing is with Israel so therefore with us in the United States ...........................

Silly euros.  

I must be a silly Euro this sort of rhetoric scares the .<****>. out of me..............

I hope it is a troll........

Re the wall............

Given the history of Isreal and Palestine it would seem to me to be a hard and neccessary solution but one doomed to failure.

Because Isreal will never seal the wall as the Russians did in Germany.

1. the Isrealis economy thrives on cheap arab labour found both inside and out side "the wall".

2. Some "settlements" will be left out side the wall.

3.lack of inward investment in Palestine forces it to depend upon isreal as its major trading partner. (its easier for a Palestinian [and or "goods"]to cross its border with Isreal than its border with Jordan, Egypt or Syria)

4. Isreal would never grant Palestine such basic rights such as rights to its own airspace, rights to unrestricted water or even the right to un controlled inward investment. (ie  the Arab development of ports and air ports and a secure manufacturing (wealth creating) infrastructure)


US policy? well (regardless of history) we now have a Nation state subjigating a stateless nation which replies with terrorism.  

The US supports (logistically and politically) one side of this conflict more than another.

[Charon]

Again? So soon?

Most of this is already covered in this nice 8 page thread:

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=112139&referrerid=5405

Charon

[mosgood]

Damn!!!  Finally some good seats and it turns out to be a re-run....

[bozon]

please leave god out of this. He caused enough damage already.

US Israel's ******? someone really thinks that 5M Jews in Israel and 12-14M total world-wide can dominate America?
And some nazis thought we were an inferior race...

First, I can't see how Israel pulling out of what everyone (almost) claim to be a palestinian teritory is bad. They can have it back.

Second, the only significant thing said by bush is a hint that the palestinian "rights of return" is to the state of palestine, not to the state of Israel.

Anyone with any sense can see that there is no border issue - the borders are already 99% known. The conflict is on 3 subjects:
1. Rights of return.
2. The old city of Jerusalem.
3. What kind of a state will be Palestine

#3 is swept under the rag for now, but it's actually the most important of them. If you suddenly have a palestinian state today it will be about as democratic as Iraq is now. Well, america can leave what ever mess there's there and go home. Israel has to live with it.

Bozon

[Charon]

Bozon, thanks for responding. From an Israeli perspective, how would you describe the general feeling on the ground in Israel for:

1. A far more significant withdrawl from the West bank than Sharon would likely want.

2. Any type of "shared" control of Jerusalem.

The impression I get (from so far away) is that #1 would be easier than #2.

Do you get the feeling that the Palestinians (people and/or leadership) are flexible on the right of return to Israel?

Charon

[Nilsen]

mosgood..
"Damn!!! Finally some good seats and it turns out to be a re-run...."

yeah i agree..most topics on the o'club ends up as reruns tho...but if you are lucky some of those that has posted on one of the original threads have changed handle.......again

kida like remakes of old classics

[bozon]

Originally posted by Charon
Bozon, thanks for responding. From an Israeli perspective, how would you describe the general feeling on the ground in Israel for:

1. A far more significant withdrawl from the West bank than Sharon would likely want.

2. Any type of "shared" control of Jerusalem.

The impression I get (from so far away) is that #1 would be easier than #2.

Do you get the feeling that the Palestinians (people and/or leadership) are flexible on the right of return to Israel?

Charon

1. this will happen. no way around it. and there's a huge majority supporting this - included in a final solution to the conflict.

2. you have to understand that "Jerusalem" is a vauge definition. you have a very large municipality, the new (western) city, an old city, the tempel mount and the eastern city.
The eastern part (occupied in 1967 and populated almost entirly by palestinians) will definitly end up in palestine. the western part was Israely before 1967 and will stay that way.
The old city and temple mount is more difficult and sensitive - but that's only about 1 square km!
. I've heard of one suggestion of a vertical border on the temple mount - above ground, Palestinian (the mosques) and below ground Israeli (the temple relics).

Bozon