WTF is wrong with us here?

[Horn]

Originally posted by NUKE
Yeah, the guy that commanded the Allied invasion of France, using all the military might the allies could muster could then state that all the equipment used to liberate Europe was "taking away" from all the poor and hungery people. Yes, what a foolish statement. Hypocritcal too.

Either he is a moron or a liar.

...or you lack the intellectual horsepower to understand the truth behind his statement.

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[DiabloTX]

Originally posted by ravells
I ate proper Mexican food (not the crap they serve up here) and I fell in love with Phillly.

Ooooooh man, you need to re-educate yourself on what "real Mexican food" is.  Come on down to Texas, be glad to show ya!

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by Naso
Not rebels...

Terrorists.

Learn a bit more about our history before you post crap like that you uneducated twit.

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by NUKE
I think your sig. quote is an ignorant statement by a stupid arse.

coming from you and the crap you post, that's a compliment...

otherwise, I let your idiotic comment stand on its own... twit

[Naso]

Originally posted by Bodhi
Learn a bit more about our history before you post crap like that you uneducated twit.

It must be sad living without sense of humor.

[Dowding]

'Period'? Shocked and appalled, mate. Shocked and appalled.

Cheap, sycophantic, sentiment isn't going to sort out Iraq - especially that written several thousand miles away from the front via the internet. If it came from a serviceman out in the desert I think it would actually mean something, otherwise...

As for leaving the US in the lurch, I'm sure Blair wouldn't do that. He got this country into this situation, he can bloody well sort it out; and if he fails, it will be his head in the general elections. This isn't about doing a 'Sir Robin' in the face of adversity - Afghanistan wasn't/isn't exactly a picnic and you'll find scarce few people wanting a pullout over there. Apart from, of course, for the CND types, who will be no doubt constructed into a straw man by the usual suspects.

So here's to the ousting of Tony Blair in 2005! Author of the Socialist Nanny State of British Isles and chief proponent of the most brainless, half-baked constitutional reforms the UK has ever seen.

[type_char]

Originally posted by ravells
'He ain't heavy...he's my brother' ... oh wait!

Ravs

Luke, I am your fathers nephews best friends pizza delivery man.

[ravells]

Originally posted by DiabloTX
Ooooooh man, you need to re-educate yourself on what "real Mexican food" is.  Come on down to Texas, be glad to show ya!

One day I shall take you up on that!

Thanks!

Ravs

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Arlo
A rather vocal minority .... as they tend to be.  

Rather like pizza map whiners.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Blooz
Couple of world wars. Tens of millions dead. Over 50 years of teaching the children that war is wrong. Tends to produce a few pacifists I guess.

While there are many good lessons to be taken from the near constant state of war that existed in Europe even before two world wars, there are also a few good lessons to be learned from the mistakes that constituted U.S. isolationism and pacifism concerning World War I and World War II and the preludes to same.

If you desire peace, then prepare for war. If you desire life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, not to mention security, then be well prepared to fight for it, for there will always be someone who is willing to attack you and take it from you.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by strk
War should be the last resort, but as Smedley Butler would say, it is a racket.  The truth is that the giant that awakened for WW2 never went back to sleep.  Bush* said that we weren't on a war footing but imo we have been since 1941.  

Military-industrial complex notwithstanding.

Should any of you doubt what I say check my sig for the words of a wiser man on the subject

Eisenhower had his moments, but he was wrong about any number of things, including that which is contained in your signature.

It should be quite obvious to anyone who is more than semi conscious that the military base that he complains about is so very necessary in order to provide that which he seeks to provide to the less than fortunate. Because in many cases, those who are less than fortunate are KEPT that way be those who profit from keeping them that way, or are taught by ethnics or religion to keep them that way, and will use force to try to stop anyone who would try to provide for those less than fortunate.

[storch]

Texas for sure Diablo but there are a couple of very real Mexican places in Homestead, Florida as well.  And just out of curiousity, could any of our Spanish friends in the Rota area confirm of a place called "Texas Jacks"  they made some fine Chili there.

[DiabloTX]

Hey Storch, there a couple of members of my reserve unit that go to Rota, or I should say, have been to Rota recently and I will ask them tomorrow during our drill.  

Rota was very cool.  Of all the ports that we hit I liked it the most from an all-around perspective.  Capri was nice but $$$$ and Palma was just one big party.  Half the ship would be brought back by SP from drinking too much.  

[bikekil]

Originally posted by Maniac
Hey Bikekil! 90% of the Spanish people were against having troops in Iraq BEFORE the Terrorist attack in Madrid.

I had no idea about it... as i thought they had some reasons to send the troops there...

Still the question is, how it's possible that after the attack they don't want to be involved?

Ra, of course it's true about the Spanish "roots", but it's just a history (with it's impact on the present, but not much i think).

If for jihadists Spain is an occupied Muslim country, then why they are killilng their own people? I mean i hear you, but what they are doing have no sense (from a "normal" mind).

That or other way - the question is what country Spain is willing to be?

[strk]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Eisenhower had his moments, but he was wrong about any number of things, including that which is contained in your signature.

It should be quite obvious to anyone who is more than semi conscious that the military base that he complains about is so very necessary in order to provide that which he seeks to provide to the less than fortunate. Because in many cases, those who are less than fortunate are KEPT that way be those who profit from keeping them that way, or are taught by ethnics or religion to keep them that way, and will use force to try to stop anyone who would try to provide for those less than fortunate.

Capt. Virgil Hilts!! Nice to see you again!   Ive been afraid to post on BW because I had to change my clock on my computer to avoid a software timeout until I could get the problem fixed.  Lord knows I never would have heard the end of it.

As for a reply - that is cold war thinking, friend.  We ramped up the defense industry in 1941 and we never shut it down again.  Ike statement is true today and it was true back then because every expenditure has an opportunity cost.  The old guns and butter.  Our resources are vast but not infinite.  

So we sacrifice higher taxes and less schools, services roads, etc so we can have a stronger military.  The military budget is a third of our total budget.  In light of our nuclear stockpile in response to the cold war, have we really needed to defend the borders of the US since WW2?  Before 9-11 the answer would be no, and aside from a few divisions needed to take afghanistan, fighting terrorism is a job for police, intelligence and special forces, not the 1st Division or 1st MarDiv.

Ike warned about the military industrial complex.  I saw it in the begining of "JFK" so I know he said it.  The defense industry has every incentive to keep the military beefed up, and  we all know how money can influence politics.

Don't we spend more in defense than the next several next-to highest countries combined?  There is a cost for this.  We have to give up other things for it- services or lower taxes.