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Offline AcePappy

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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2004, 08:35:06 PM »
Hey Jester I Like the idea bud, sounds like fun!. I can't wait to climb into my cockpit of my 109 and let all our wolfpack unleash against the allies! hehehehe

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« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2004, 09:24:09 PM »
Fork's set-up - he planned it and picked the aircraft - He gets the credit.

I am just running it for him while he takes some time off.
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« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2004, 09:51:17 PM »
I have to agree with maggiehawk and furball you need to add the entire allied inventory including the meteor (262) the G10 will obliterate them.

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« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2004, 10:51:20 PM »
Oh, stop whining.  You've got the best Bf109G-10 possible.  It is a 452mph aircraft when it is taking the place of the early G-10s which were 426mph aircraft.

I guess you might be OK with a setup if the Allies had the Boston Mk III, P-40B, Hurricane Mk I and Spitfire Mk I against your Ar234, Bf109G-10, Bf110G-2, Fw190D-9, Me163, Me262 and Ta152H-1s.
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« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2004, 11:06:06 PM »
on't forget one thing, it's not always the damn plane make or ability that makes it over ranked, The Hands of a Pilot flying the aircraft has alot to do with it as well. :)

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« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2004, 11:37:05 PM »
How about the D-25 with or instead of the D-11?

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« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2004, 12:27:10 AM »
G-10s were not made from old airframes, they were produced alongside the G-14 as an evolution of the G-6 with DB605D and MW-50 while the G-14 was the evolution of G-6 with DB605AM with MW-50.

It is true some of the first airframes used for the G-10 were from new airframes intended to be used for G-6s, or from airframes planned for mounting the DB605AM (G-14) in case no DB605AM were available. Hence the twin data plate found on some G-10.

The AH G10 has the performance of C3 fuel and 1.98 ata.  C-3 wasn't used by 109 units until '45. Even then C-3 wasn't widely available amoung all the 109 gruppes. Most C3 fuel was used by 190 gruppes.

Butch posted the below in this thread

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=108817&highlight=Fuel

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According to a document dated late January 1945 coming from DB the 1.80 had just been cleared following serious troubles (pre-ignition) reported by the unit testing the 1.80 ata boost. It is also noted that following the clearance of the 1.8ata boost the 1.98ata operational tests could now begin but with concern about the sparkplugs thermal resistance IIRC.


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C3 was not used by 109 units until the 1.98ata boost was cleared, they relied on B4+MW-50 so that C3 could go to the 190 units. And even after the clearance only few gruppen got it because of shortages due not only to C3 production but also to C3 delivery to the units.


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in March 1945 only two units of the Luftflotte 6 both equipped with G-10 were using C3, one being IV/JG 4 the other being II/JG 11, and no K-4 units at all.


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AFAIK 1.98ata boost was cleared late february but it seems to have been slowly introduced into service, i suspect the adjustments needed on the engine and the change of sparkplugs type (supply problems ???) took longer than expected. From other documents i know that C3 and B4 had severe quality problems beginning in late 1944. While it was not much of a problem with low boost, it had some serious effect on higher boost, so it might also have slowed down the introduction of 1.98ata boost. At least DB documents underlined the need for cleaner fuels than those in use at that time.

You can safely assume that by march 1945 1.98 ata boost was being introduced, unfortunately i do not have much details for April 1945, but i doubt it would have changed much, given the situation.

My book(s) will takle the 109 development, history and technical side.


Anyway you look at the G10 wasnt in service until late 44 and the AH G10 has the performance of a Feb Match '45 limited G10.

The common 109 in service would have been the 109G-6 just like the one we have in AH. The G-10 doesnt belong in this type of set up.

Neither does the p38L, it came into service after the 262 and D9.

The allied planes would be D11, p51b, B26 A20g and B17.

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« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2004, 07:46:49 AM »
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I have to agree with maggiehawk and furball you need to add the entire allied inventory including the meteor (262) the G10 will obliterate them.

Didn't I see the Spit 9 in this setup?  

We'll see.  My bet is that it the numbers will still favor the allies throughout this setup.  I'm anticipating a spit 9 v. g10 week.

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« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2004, 08:21:48 AM »
yep probably OM but the G10 will own, most likely.  the only way this could be better is if the LW got the D-9 as well.  then it would be complete.

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« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2004, 12:04:10 PM »
I dont care either way. If the G-10 is in there I'll fly it some, I can deal with it if its not. I prefer the 110G2 for buff killin, and the 109G2 is better for furballin, the 190A5 is good all around too, but if our version of the G-10 wasn't operational yet then it shouldnt be in there.

How far north are the USAAF bases going to be?

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« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2004, 12:49:52 PM »
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but if our version of the G-10 wasn't operational yet then it shouldnt be in there.


Why don't they just pull the G-10. Wasnt this much worry about the Typhoon in the PTO when it wasnt  historically a couple of weeks ago though huh? Pull the P-38L  too while your at it. If the G10 can't fly why should the 38L. It wasnt operational at this tme.
Then we can all shadup and fly.:D

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« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2004, 01:31:50 PM »
If the G-10 goes then lose the '38.  BTW, when did the D-25 become operatonal?

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« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2004, 02:11:55 PM »
Lowe, I think you know I'll probably be flying LW just about all week so I'm not motivated by any bias towards one side or the other, but I think operational deployment dates should be followed regardless of playbalance (there that damn "balance" word again). Along the same lines, I think Slash is right, I dont know for sure but I think the P-47D-25 was in operational use by then. The D-11 performs better than the D-25 but has the obvious downside of poor cockpit views and lower ordinance loadout.

Also, shouldn't the RAF have Bostons instead of the A-20G?

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« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2004, 05:13:09 PM »
I'm with Lowe on this one, but if you leave the G10, no one will be able to catch me and no one will be able to run away from me.  what could be wrong with that? *refrains from utilizing the allied bias complaint*.

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« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2004, 05:33:48 PM »
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Yes they did Rafe,
But the FAA pretty much stayed out of the Channel area till D-Day. Most of the fighting in this area was done by the land based aircraft.

Most of the FAA's fighting at this time was done up around Norway and out in the Atlantic till they moved to the Pacific.
Ah, I see, Jester. :D
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