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« Reply #60 on: April 22, 2004, 03:28:26 PM »
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I greatly admired Autie Murphy and that colonel or whatever that ran with perot for vice president... both were damaged goods tho by their experiance as is mccain... I wouldn't want any of em in too high an office...


What about George Bush Sr. ?  Was he damaged goods?

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« Reply #61 on: April 22, 2004, 03:28:34 PM »
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Apparently, John Kerry had a problem with that, considering he did nothing but protest the war after he got back.

He must have been real proud of his service to his country to join up with Hanoi Jane and toss "His" medals on the White House lawn.

Pretty convenient how now, that he's running for president, he's a proud Vietnam vet.

Whatever he did in Vietnam was negated in my mind when he crawled into bed with the spokeswoman of the NVA.

Sorry, Johnny.


I agree that his actions after he left Viet Nam show a totally different side of his character but you cannot argue that he did not do want was expected of him and more when he was over there.

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« Reply #62 on: April 22, 2004, 03:29:39 PM »
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What about George Bush Sr. ?  Was he damaged goods?


How about Dwight Eisenhower?

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« Reply #63 on: April 22, 2004, 03:38:54 PM »

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« Reply #64 on: April 22, 2004, 04:35:53 PM »
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I agree that his actions after he left Viet Nam show a totally different side of his character but you cannot argue that he did not do want was expected of him and more when he was over there.


I agree Mr. Kerry should be commended for his military service.

I just don't know how much of it I believe and how much of it may have been embellished.


You see, Kerry strikes me a smart, opportunist who's been crafting his entire life for political office. I see him as the consumate politician. I don't believe in his core values because I don't think he has any. I feel that he will say or do whatever the poll of the day says he should.


For lack of a better term, I see Kerry as a "Schemer".

So once again, though I commend him for his service to his country, I am disappointed in his association with Jane Fonda, and the anti-war activists and do not hold him in the same regard as I would other verterans.

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« Reply #65 on: April 22, 2004, 04:42:30 PM »
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You see, Kerry strikes me a smart, opportunist who's been crafting his entire life for political office. I see him as the consumate politician.


You just described Bush.
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« Reply #66 on: April 22, 2004, 05:12:30 PM »
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That being said, the reason I hate the idea of a guy like Kerry coming into power is that he will inevitably limit my ability to live my life and provide for my family to the fullest extent of reasonable possibilities.

Estate taxes, income taxes, the inevitable socialist regulations he will almost certainly impose on the health care industry--these are the things that make me hate the idea of him being in charge. My family left a dead-end system once in the last 22 years. It would make me very sad to see the same trends arising here.

No matter what happened in Vietnam decades ago, Kerry is NOT a representation of what it is to be American. Repeat, in deference to you STRK, Kerry is NOT America Personified. Bush, while far, far from perfect, is far closer.

I do not hate this country, and shame on you for saying it. You're a simplistic little man for allowing yourself to put such declarations down in writing simply because I do not see eye-to-eye with you. I seriously hope it was a lapse in judgement on your part.


Ive been behind the iron curtain.  It was sh_t hole and Im glad its gone now.  

for someone raised as a socialist you certainly are friendly with the health insurance industry.  How did you come to worship the corporations so much?

I am glad that you make enough money that you have to worry about the estate tax (you refer to as death tax), since it only applies to estates over 750k.  kudos

I am also glad that your income is high enough that you want to keep the tax cuts for the rich.  Most folks only got a few hundred when it was all said and done but state and real estate taxes have gone up, as well as tuition . . .

You would think that someone who has been as fortunate as you, coming from a second world socialist country, and now doing so well that you need to worry about the tax cuts and estate tax, that you would have a little freakin respect for America's combat veterans.

Oh and I want to meet the veterans that you know whose military record made Kerry look like a cabbage patch kid.  How many of these guys do you know?  

You are disparaging an american combat veteran.  You should thank God every morning that combat veterans fought to give you the best country in the world to come live in from your second world socialist country.  When you denigrate the heroic, decorated service of a veteran you are hating those people that made America.  

Frankly, that pisses me off.

Is that simple enough for you?

now go wave your flag somewhere else, RW Lickspittle

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« Reply #67 on: April 22, 2004, 05:16:03 PM »
Is Capt. Pork an immigrant?

If so... I'll go ahead and say it because Funked is so damned selective with this:

PWNED!

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« Reply #68 on: April 22, 2004, 05:16:15 PM »
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There's a Vietnam vert who lives behind the 7-11 on Hempstead Tpke. Crazy as a loon, but he was in combat. He was hit in the chest too, from what I hear. He's usually too drunk or drugged up to talk to, but he's free for the next 4 years.

You want to elect him too? I mean...he was in combat so he must be qualified, right?

Fact is, military service, though commendable and worthy of praise is not indicative of a good leader, especially in this case.

The democrats are trying to make Kerry look like he's good for homeland securitiy...the biggest concern among registered voeters when polled. Unfortunatley, we keep running into the now famous Kerry Defense Cut Votes and Inteligence community votes.

The bottom line for me is John Kerry does not represent me or my interests therefore as of this writing he will not get my vote.


Interesting how the only research that went into this post was watching a Bush* campaign commercial.

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« Reply #69 on: April 22, 2004, 05:16:21 PM »
habu... bush senior was a pilot.  I believe pilots that aren't captured by sadistic little yellow folk are kinda detatched from war even when they participate.

I feel the same goes for most generals especially supreme commanders over the largest and most "correct" war ever fought.

lazs

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« Reply #70 on: April 22, 2004, 05:16:29 PM »
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I agree that his actions after he left Viet Nam show a totally different side of his character but you cannot argue that he did not do want was expected of him and more when he was over there.

Were any of you guys around during Vietnam? Hell, Walter Freakin' Cronkite said the War was a lost cause and we should pull out. A vet protesting more poeple being sent off to die in a hopeless battle is not only doing what needs to be done, he is doing his patriotic duty. I suppose you guys think we should have kept pouring more boys in there to be killed. What a bunch of Keyboard Heroes you are.
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« Reply #71 on: April 22, 2004, 05:41:36 PM »
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...an enemy soldier holding a loaded rocket launcher sprang up within 10 feet of Kerry's boat and fled. Kerry leapt ashore, ran down the man and killed him.


You forgot the:  "with a spoon" on the end.
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« Reply #72 on: April 22, 2004, 05:51:40 PM »
ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!




er wait... my bad.

wrong thread...

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« Reply #73 on: April 22, 2004, 05:58:42 PM »
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Lol, could you see if Bush Sr was a democrat?

Democrats: But he is a war vet who made sure his crew bailed from a burning aircraft before bailing himself, then pulled out his pistol and prepared to fight til the death against a Japanese patrol boat.

Republicans: First of all, the aircraft was still flight worthy and should have been returned to base. Second of all, that wasn't a patrol boat, it was a harmless Japanese fishing boat. Third, his pistol probably would not have worked and he did not have it when he was pulled aboard the submarine, he probably threw it away to surrender. He lost a plane, crew, and pistol, just to take a swim, he should be shot.


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« Reply #74 on: April 22, 2004, 06:51:31 PM »
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I think the GOP is gonna regret making his records an issue

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Request_For_Swiftboat_Duty.pdf
(Kerry's REQUEST to go to Nam and serve on Swift Boats)



Compare Bush* assignment records - checked "do not volunteer for overseas"
http://discover.npr.org/photo_gallery/photo_gallery_display.jhtml?gallery=1676511


On Feb. 28, 1969, Kerry's craft and two other boats came under heavy fire from the riverbanks. Kerry ordered his units to turn into the ambush and sent men ashore to charge the enemy. According to the records, an enemy soldier holding a loaded rocket launcher sprang up within 10 feet of Kerry's boat and fled. Kerry leapt ashore, ran down the man and killed him.

Kerry and his men chased or killed all the enemy soldiers in the area, captured enemy weapons and then returned to the boat only to come under fire from the opposite bank as they began to pull away. Kerry again beached his boat and led a party ashore to pursue the enemy, and they successfully silenced the shooting. Later, the boats were again under fire, but Kerry initiated a heavy response that killed 10 Viet Cong and wounded another with no casualties to his own men.

He won the Silver Star "for gallantry and intrepidity in action" that day. Two weeks later, Kerry was engaged in another fire fight that resulted in a Bronze Star for heroic achievement and the third Purple Heart that would result in his reassignment out of Vietnam.

Kerry was commanding one of five boats on patrol on March 13, 1969, when two mines detonated almost simultaneously -- one beneath another boat and one near Kerry's craft. Shrapnel hit Kerry's buttocks, and his right arm was bleeding from contusions, but he rescued a boatmate who had been thrown overboard in the blast and was under sniper fire from both banks. Kerry then directed his crew to return to the other damaged craft and tow it to safety.

In April 1969, Kerry was sent stateside to the Military Sea Transportation Service, U.S. Atlantic Fleet, in Brooklyn, N.Y. On Nov. 21, 1969, Kerry requested that he be released from his commitment to serve actively until August 1970 so that he could run for Congress.

He was promoted to full lieutenant on Jan. 1, 1970, and soon after was discharged from active duty and became a reservist.


http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Kerry-Purple-Hearts.html?hp


no doubt Kerry was a badass back in the day


From what I have read..cant remember as I have read so much..and from what I have heard Kerry had to practically beg for a purple heart. Now being ex military and NAVY to boot...If I had asperations to be in politics...I wouldn't want to be on a frigate either. ALSO , as an officer I know that if I get into more serious spots I may gain GREAT ploitical ammo for my carrer. I also know that I GIVE orders to those men under me to fight. SO...With that said and reading the above drivel...Kerry suffered shrapnel to his buttocks (***) and arm. I could get a minor cut on my arm in the dead of summer , sweating like no tomorrow , and look like I been shot from the blood.

Being on those boats although dangerous is in my opinion no more than him looking for ammo for a political carrer. I have heard several times that he had political asperations before going into the Navy. SO being a Frigate Officer in Vietnam although noble doesn't do as much for a carrer as River Boat would.

IF you have to ask for a purple heart from your CO then he obviously didn't think you need one. Silver Satr awarded...AGAIN more ammo. Beaching his Boat and killing 20? THEY may have killed 20. I doubt although I havent seen it anywhere that KERRY killed more than 2 or 3. Whoever was manning the GUN killed them. I don't remember reading it was HIM on that gun. It says he "Initaited" a response. Giving and oreder to your gunner to shoot is intiating that response.

I could go on and on but I'm not. Bush's record is nothing to get motivated about. But Kerry's isn't either. LOTS AND LOTS of men served with just as much and MORE bravery than he did. They gave up more than a buttock wound and a "contusion" and didn't get a purple heart. MOST didn't come home and WHINE like a lil wuss either. MORE POLITICAL reteric.

Vote for him if you like. I'll take Bush and his STRONG WILL and STRONG CONVICTIONS to do what he thinks is right over that Waffleing glorified wimp bellybutton Kerry anyday.:mad:

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