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« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2004, 06:32:17 AM »
Don't worry about it Acepappy.  Those germans who weren't in the nazi party were trying to justify what they did even though they allowed such crap to go on.
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« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2004, 10:59:05 AM »
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There is a different between the German Military and "Nazis" The "Nazis" Were Hitler's and his top Ranked Officials, and the Gestapo. Now, The German Military, comprised of an air force, navy, and Army... were not nazis. They were just the military that served their country. So... I hope this sets your little "Nazi" thinking tush free boy.



bzzzzzztttt.

There were plenty of nazi's in the military, both rank and file and higherups. It was nothing more than a political move by some of the higher ranking officers in order to advance their careers, Of course there were probaly some "true nazis" among those, anyway.

While the military branches were not nazi per se, there were nazi's all over in the military branches.

Doesn't make them any less culpable for engaging in a war of aggression at the orders of "nazis." They got their collective tulips kicked as a result.
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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2004, 12:41:43 PM »
DING!

On the money.

I'll give the ones in ranks who sabotaged the war effort benefit of the doubt. ;)

Now ... here's a perspective perhaps apologists and non-apologists can learn to live with:

If we're gonna "role-play" it .... then don't confuse the play with a personal attack. If I say "Let's kick some Nazi butt!" I'm NOT saying "Let's kick the butts of all the players in JG (whatever) because they're all Nazis!" Get it? Got it? Good. :D

(Getting offended comes naturally to some. Kinda like breathing and farting .... or visa versa)

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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2004, 02:19:01 PM »
WOW! WAY TO GO! There ya have it! Shane jumping into the *****s like always! Man ya must be full of it by now. Uhh.... as far as the point of nazis in world war 2. Uhh..... If you look on history, The Germans really did'nt get their oscares kicked much. They were more less kicking OUR oscares in World War 2. Only till the end of war with Russia's strong help, did we start winning. So get your facts correct!, Got My Point now? Great! Now Sleep well tonight my friend. :-)

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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2004, 02:23:30 PM »
Noun 1. Nazi - a German member of Adof Hitler's political party:DlNazi Germany or the Third Reich commonly refers to Germany The Federal Republic of Germany is one of the world's major industrialised countries, located in central Europe. It is bordered to the north by the North Sea, Denmark and the Baltic Sea, to its east by Poland and the Czech Republic, to the south by Austria and Switzerland and to its west by France, Luxembourg, Belgium and the Netherlands. Germany is a founding member of the European Union.

 when it was under the firm control of Adolf Hitler Adolf Hitler (April 20, 1889 - April 30, 1945) was the self-proclaimed Führer of Nazi Germany. Hitler was leader of the Nazi Party, Chancellor of Germany and was head of government as well as state. The military-industrial complex he helped create pulled Germany out of a post-World War I economic crisis and, at its height, controlled the greater part of Europe. The regime he led, however, also caused the deaths of millions and the displacement of millions more. Hitler, a gifted orator with great personal presence, is regarded as one of the most significant leaders of the 20th century. In the end he died by his own hand with his "Thousand Year Reich" in ruins around him.
and the ideology of National Socialism "Nazism" or "National Socialism" refers to the politics of the dictatorship which ruled Germany from 1933 to 1945, "the Third Reich". Nazism is commonly associated with Fascism; although, the Nazis claimed to espouse a nationalist totalitarian form of socialism (as opposed to Marxist international socialism).
The German National Socialist Party advocated "Nationalsozialismus" ("National Socialism"). However, some disagree "By majority consent of both socialists and non-socialists, National Socialism (Nazism) and kindred movements are not considered to be socialist."


The term Nazi is a short form of the German Nationalsozialismus; the ideology was institutionalized in the NSDAP (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) , the National Socialist German Workers' Party, or Nazi Party

The National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei), better known as the NSDAP or the Nazi Party was a political party that was led to power in Germany by Adolf Hitler in 1933. The term Nazi is a short form of the German Nationalsozialismus (National Socialism); the ideology of the NSDAP.

The party was the main political force in Nazi Germany from the fall of the Weimar Republic in 1933 until the end of World War II in 1945, when it was declared illegal and its leaders were arrested and convicted of crimes against humanity at the Nuremberg trials.

The Nazi regime was characterized by political control of every aspect of society (Gleichschaltung The German word Gleichschaltung is a composite noun. Gleich means "equal"; Schaltung is derived from the verb schalten ("to switch"). It can be translated as "consolidation", "synchronization", or "phasing". However, the term appears most commonly in a political sense to describe the process by which the Nazi regime successively established a system of total control and coordination of all aspects of society.
 in a quest for racial (Aryan, Nortic white), social and cultural purity. The Nazi Party pursued its aims through persecution of those considered impure, especially against targeted minority groups such as Jews Jew is a term used to denote both followers of a religion and members of an ethnicity (adj. Jewish). In a religious sense, the term refers to followers of Judaism. In an ethnic sense, it refers to those who have once joined the nation which traces its ancestry from the patriarch Abraham through his son Isaac and in particular Jacob, the son of Issac. Ethnic Jews include both Observant Jews and those who, while not practicing Judaism as a religion, still identify themselves as Jews in a cultural or ethnic sense.



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Widerstand is the name given to the resistance movements in Nazi Germany.

From 1938 to 1945, there was 17 assassination attempts against Adolf Hitler by the German Resistance.


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"We must not make the mistake of thinking that all those who eat the bread of dictatorship are evil from the first; but they must necessarily become evil....The curse of a system of terror is that there is no turning back; neither in the large realm of policies nor the 'smaller' realm of everyday human relationships is it possible for men to retrace their steps." - Hans Bernd Gisevius
During this period of time were around 6 million Jews and sundry others (eg homosexuals, Slavs and political prisoners) systematically killed and more than 10 million people were put in slavery. This genocide

Genocide has been defined as the deliberate killing of people based on their ethnicity, nationality, race, religion, or (sometimes) politics. There is disagreement over whether the term genocide ought to be used for politically-motivated mass murders in general (compare "democide").
  is referred to as the Holocaust The word Holocaust (Greek, "a completely (holos) burnt (kaustos) sacrificial offering") was introduced in the late 20th century to refer to the attempt of Nazi-ruled Germany to exterminate those groups of people it found "undesirable".



Terminology and definition
The term is primarily used to refer to the systematic extermination of the millions of Jews living in Europe before the war, according to the extensive documentation left behind by the Nazis themselves (written and photographed), eye-witness testimony (by survivors, perpetrators, and bystanders), and the statistical records of the various countries under occupation.




A euphemism is a slang word (or phrase) which is used in place of a more disagreeable or offensive term. When a phrase becomes a euphemism, its literal meaning is often pushed aside. Euphemisms are used to hide unpleasant ideas, even when the term for them is not necessarily offensive. This latter kind of euphemism is used in the fields of public relations and politics; where it is known as doublespeak.


  term "Endlösung The final solution (German Endlösung) is the name of the German Nazis' plan to address the "Jewish problem" through systematic relocation and later extermination through genocide. The term was coined by Adolf Eichmann, a top Nazi official who supervised the genocidal campaign.

Heinrich Himmler was the main architect of the slaughter which would eventually exterminate three-quarters of all European Jews. On July 31, 1941, under instructions from Adolf Hitler, Nazi official Hermann Göring, ordered SS general Reinhard Heydrich to "submit to me as soon as possible a general plan of the administrative material and financial measures necessary for carrying out the desired final solution of the Jewish question."
"Final Solution."
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« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2004, 02:48:56 PM »
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Uhh..... If you look on history, The Germans really did'nt get their oscares kicked much. They were more less kicking OUR oscares in World War 2. Only till the end of war with Russia's strong help, did we start winning. So get your facts correct!,

let's see....  allies

a) kicked tulips in BoB
b) kicked them out of afrika.
c) tore up their puny navy and evil u-boats
d) managed air superiority after '43
e) swept them from southern italy
f) successfully invaded europe
g) generally pushed them further and further back through western europe
h) kicked tulips at bologne

no where in the above did russia help directly. they indirectly helped by tying up the krauts in russia (and kicking their tulips there).

mayhap *you* need to bone up on your history. don't confuse minor tactical vicctories early on with the general piss-poor overall strategy evidenced throughout the entire war.

germany lost.

deal with it.


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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2004, 02:57:46 PM »
Only due to the failur by hitler to realize the potential of the scientific advances mane by the german aircraft designers,and his treatment of the jews.

 Think how ot would have turnd out if the things he did  to the jews never happen,and used the jet and rocket technoligy from  the start of the war.Things could have ended in a different outcome:confused:

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« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2004, 03:18:54 PM »
and what if hitler was never born?

what if france an dthe otehr western european countries were more prepared to repel the initial invasion?

what if america jumped in sooner?

what if 1 of those 17 assination attempts were successful?

what if....

what if....

what if....

none of it *did*

germany lost.

deal with it.

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« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2004, 03:52:14 PM »
Well...Well...a Jahgheschwader join up eh? Sound pretty good but would like to know if Thursday will be the day or will it change. Also how will this work will some sqds have to change there sqd names to fit the major sqd?...supposivly? Need more info. before i really would decide ...But so far it sounds good~ :)

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« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2004, 04:13:03 PM »
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While the military branches were not nazi per se, there were nazi's all over in the military branches.

Heh heh.

Reminds me of our earlier discussions, with Hortlund in particular.  Started here:  http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=46307&referrerid=4533

Spilled over to here when people complained that the discussion was in the wrong forum:  http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=46469&referrerid=4533

I just realized that I actually miss Hortlund.  Wonder what happened to him?

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« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2004, 04:15:00 PM »
heh. wondered how long it'd be before you chimed in.
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« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2004, 04:21:48 PM »
This string started out with great intent, but has wasted away to the same old slashfest of the CT I remember so well!

Although we all have fun in the CT when we do fly here, there is always a reminder of how nasty it can get between the sides. Lots of insults and needless bickering.

No, JG-3 are by no means angels when it comes to doing their fair share of trash talking, but I no longer wish for us to be in that position. I do not wish to commit JG-3 to this group at this time.

However, when we do decide to pop in from time to time, we would welcome the chance to do some coordinated ops with the Axis forces. Thanks.

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« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2004, 04:26:22 PM »
damn nazi worshippers.  you disgust me.

Only (major) country who's arse germany kicked was France (invaded Denmark, Norway, Belgium, France, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, the Channel Islands, Romania, Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union)

OMG THE MIGHTY FRANCE!  They failed when pitted against any reasonable force against them.
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« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2004, 04:35:42 PM »
Would you guys mind please GETTING THE HELL OUT OF MY FARKING  POST!

I don't recall trying to start a drive to up the Party membership or trying to set up a midnight torch lit parade or even setting up "Goose Stepping" practice. In fact, I don't think the world "Nazi" ever came up in my post PERIOD.

If your not a CO of an Axis squad interested in the above project please go get your own damn  thread.

In fact, if you are not interested in the project - WHY THE HELL did you post here in the first place!?! JESUS CHRIST AND GENERAL JACKSON! Get a damn life!

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« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2004, 04:56:16 PM »
If you're not in a gang don't spraypaint this wall. Private wall. Get your own wall. ;)