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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2004, 11:41:20 AM »
Apology accepted.  

Now back to the real thing, the story.

If they are convicted then they should get the max penalty.  There is no place for this over there.   If we want to get out of there in a reasonable time we have to stabilize this country, not give license to the terror factions working in the country.  It will turn civilians away from turning in those that may be operating in their midst and turn those tortured into martyrs.  It was stupid on the leadership's part at that detention center.  

All of us in the Army are instructed on the Army Values.  You can't walk into a building without seeing these things posted all over the walls.  The Army Values are:

Loyalty
Duty
Respect
Selfless Service
Honor
Integrity
Personal Courage

These have been repeated to us so often that they seem flip at times but if all of us lived these values then things like this wouldn't happen, either in the US or British Army, or in any other Army.
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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2004, 11:52:27 AM »
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I think I'm losing my mind.



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Wasn't there a song in the 80's by that title?

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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2004, 12:16:27 PM »
I don't know Shaden.  My quote came from the three stooges where Larry shot Moe in the as with a tack shooting sub machinegun while they were upholstering a sofa.   Moe said, "I think I'm losing my mind."




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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2004, 12:18:49 PM »
Thought I heard my name.

 
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where name calling and taunting by people like Bodhi, Grunherz, VOR and the same core group of right wingers resembles noon time recess at an elementary school rather than a bulletin board discussion...


1. Whom have I ever taunted?
2. When have I ever stooped to "name calling"?
3. What makes you think I'm right wing?

Yeah, I posted a rant a couple of weeks ago..but it was clearly labeled as such. As I recall, I took a little flak and was labeled myself..but not the label you just stuck to me.

I've never put anyone on ignore before, but I'd like to know what made you say the above before I decide to make you my first.


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« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2004, 12:39:21 PM »
Carefull VOR the power of the ignore option is very difficult to resist once you head down that path......

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« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2004, 12:41:30 PM »
Schaden yeh I can see how it might become habit forming..I hate the thought of doing it because I like to hear what everyone has to say regardless of the fact that I might or might not like it. In a few cases it seems like the only practical alternative to up and leaving the board altogether.

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« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2004, 12:55:14 PM »
IMAO what a surprise..
First news about this came out 1 year ago.

But these pictures .... aaawwww.... these pictures doesnt need any comment...


Viva profesional army
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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2004, 12:55:54 PM »
Nah don't leave just take it for what it is - what I find interesting is that some people find things to be very difficult to talk about - my Today in History post for instance - which is fair enough, but what is very revealing is that they don't ask "Why is this post making me feel uncomfortable or angry?"

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« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2004, 12:56:10 PM »
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Why the double standard? Those of us who have posted opposition to the Iraq occupation are bombarded by being called left wing, anti American Communist terrorist lovers who hate America, interspread with JPEGs of some drugged out hippie who is portrayed as what "we" are.... where every issue quickly deteroriates into a slam fest on the Democrats....

Why is it so acceptable to stereotype one side of the political spectrum in a negative light, but it's forbidden to stereotype the OTHER side of the political spectrum in a negative light?  

Some of you might want to think about what you post before you post it. Your right wing rants and name calling are getting tired.

Airhead, it just happens that there are more Republican Guard than Dems using this board. It's easier for them to slander Democrats here than having to wait on hold for Rush Limbaugh.Fear not, the American population as a whole is a bit more diverse. I'm a liberal AND I served in the military. According to "The Right" that is impossible and I should have been throwing eggs at the Statue of Liberty instead of serving the country I love.
I'm not sure they understand freedom means freedom for everyone, not just the ones that you agree with.

As for the soldiers, they knew what they were doing was wrong. No 2 ways about that. The UCMJ has it all spelled out in Black and White. I suspect a free vacation in Kansas is on the horizon.
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« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2004, 12:57:28 PM »
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Wasn't there a song in the 80's by that title?


I think I'm turning Japanese :)
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« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2004, 01:20:53 PM »
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Why is this post making me feel uncomfortable or angry?"


That's food for thought. You may be onto something.

Now that I'm pondering your question, ponder mine: Why did you make the post? Be honest! ;)

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« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2004, 02:02:46 PM »
Well it started with I think Strk posting something from the Guardian - about the POW photo's and I went to look at the page.

While I was there I saw that they had a This Day in History page, I thought it would be about the death of Hitler, which was around this time but when I opened it I saw it was about America leaving Vietnam.

It seemed to me to be ironic that one of the key events in SE Asia, from a war that resonates so strongly within America even today occurred during the same week as America finds itself in another war.

I posted the link to see if anyone on the BBS would make that connection, what was interesting was that people got very upset. Why - because they realised, even those who are fervent pro Bush, that there are direct similarities - if there were not why be upset?

Educated rational people should be able to discuss events around them, what is happening in Iraq is going to effect America for the next 50 years - much as Vietnam effects America today - what actually happens in here however is that people run on raw emotion based on parroted or pasted pre-concieved ideas.

Made me laugh when some idiot thought he'd show me by saying that "Next Tuesday is the anniversary of the Falklands where a British Destroyer was sunk!! So there!!"

Um, I'm not British, I admire the very, very brave men on both sides of that conflict who did their duty, whether it's Argie Skyhawk pilots or Para's at Goose Green.

Anyway - hope that answers the question, just remember most people on the internet really aren't worth getting worked up about.

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« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2004, 04:58:52 PM »
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While I was there I saw that they had a This Day in History page, I thought it would be about the death of Hitler, which was around this time but when I opened it I saw it was about America leaving Vietnam.


It's purely cultural ,ie for the 30/04 I thought of Camerone and about Hitler after I read my newspaper.

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« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2004, 05:28:09 PM »
Yes I agree this type of behavior puts the United States and our military services right in the gutter.  there was no need for that behavior or to humiliate these men in that fashion.  a true low.

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« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2004, 05:33:23 PM »
Some of these people acted as bad as the enemy they are fighting.

Very disturbing to see soldiers acting like this.